[AI] Scribe guidelines

Rohiet A. Patil patil_rohit at dataone.in
Sat Jun 30 11:32:11 EDT 2018


Hi!
A thoughtfull discussion is going on.
I would like to say few things in this regard. If the compititive exam 
platform is made accessible, then how a VI should perform the rough work 
like solving reasoning and quant? Though the brail and mathamatic equipments 
are allove in the examination hall, It is impossible to perform all the 
tasks within the given timeframe.
2nd, we should not forget about the literacy rate in VI community.
Submition of audio files for discriptive paper may not be a sound idea.
Rohiet Patil
Cell: +919850831774
-----Original Message----- 
From: pranaya rani
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:50 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines

Best is we must be allowed to our own scribers, scribers provided by 
examining authorities/agencies are always substandard/unqualified, I have 
heard many times clerks/peons are provided as scribers, terrible!

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
Of Lyngdoh
Sent: 28 June, 2018 1:40 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines

Hi

Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that
institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against
it?
I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I
wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I
will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even
know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings
almost the whole of exam period.
What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for 
it?

On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P <hpkotian at rbi.org.in> wrote:
> Dear Dananjay
>
> Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of the
> exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in providing
> scribes.
> I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence
>
> Please also document the process of the equipment used, the preservation
> policy of the recording, protocol to handover the recording etc. Get the
> documentation published on your portal so that it becomes a fully
> transparent process.
>
>
> Your thoughts please.
>
> Harish.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf
> Of Dhananjay Bhole
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
>
> Dear All,
>
>
> Very important discussion going on.
> I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions
> providing scribe from their side?
> Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I have
> to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university department and
> affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior person like research
> associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and superviser as 
> well.
> Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful to
> students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what 
> student
> is dictating.
> Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to
> coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as what
> type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the scribe 
> should
> be from non management non commerce background? I suggest them that the
> scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year lower qualification. EG 
> if
> student is appearing second year MCA the scribe should be from First year
> MCA or lower. Not from social science background. If student is 
> comfortable
> with other stream, they can go for it.
>
> Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience of
> students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes as well
> which provides scribes to students.
>
> I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam who 
> was
> not able to understand and read and write several terminologies of science
> and mathematics. I struggled a lot there.
> Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if 
> scribe
> is provided by institutes conducting exams.
>
> Regards
> On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra <shweta.mishra668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi friends!
>> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with
>> different qualification.
>> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is
>> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe
>> criteria for both candidates?
>> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it
>> be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed
>> candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe.
>>
>> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <cornelyngdoh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean
>>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the
>>> past I have always looked for graduates.
>>>
>>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>>> Congrats!
>>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in
>>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and
>>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory.
>>>>
>>>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes.
>>>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur
>>>>
>>>> 0712 2806846
>>>>
>>>> President
>>>> VIBEWA
>>>> Co-Moderator
>>>> VIB-India
>>>>
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>>>> laughter.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18
>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines
>>>>
>>>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already
>>>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues
>>>>
>>>> 1.       You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of
>>>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and
>>>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times.
>>>>
>>>> 2.       So far about one year there was not too much of a problem
>>>> because
>>>> no one really implemented the guidelines.
>>>>
>>>> 3.       Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that
>>>> these
>>>> guidelines were unfair.
>>>>
>>>> 4.       Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines
>>>> gave
>>>> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers.
>>>>
>>>> 5.       Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers
>>>> complained
>>>> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told.
>>>>
>>>> 6.       Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times
>>>> but
>>>> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee.
>>>>
>>>> 7.       This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at
>>>> this
>>>> meeting on 20th June.
>>>>
>>>> 8.       I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U
>>>> PS
>>>> C
>>>> and SSC.
>>>>
>>>> 9.       Our meeting started an hour and half late because the
>>>> Secretary
>>>> had
>>>> gone to meet the Minister.
>>>>
>>>> 10.   Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion
>>>> on
>>>> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give
>>>> our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal
>>>> meeting.
>>>>
>>>> 11.   It was quite a hot debate.
>>>>
>>>> 12.   The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same
>>>> person
>>>> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH.
>>>> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the 
>>>> representative
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>> 13.   There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The
>>>> recommendations
>>>> of the Sub-committee were accepted.
>>>>
>>>> 14.   So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of
>>>> the
>>>> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining
>>>> body can provide not less than a matriculate.
>>>>
>>>> 15.   Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance.
>>>>
>>>> 16.   Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be
>>>> used.Our
>>>> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the
>>>> original guidelines.
>>>>
>>>> 17.   The only problem with the subcommittee's  suggestion is that they
>>>> are
>>>> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this
>>>> should not be in the guidelines.  I know atleast 2 members on this
>>>> list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after
>>>> explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely
>>>> attributable to the subcommittee.
>>>>
>>>> 18.   Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be
>>>> less
>>>> in
>>>> qualification than the candidate.
>>>>
>>>> 19.   So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only
>>>> with
>>>> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational
>>>> qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too
>>>> bad but ground realities will tell.
>>>>
>>>> 20.   So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups
>>>> of
>>>> tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to
>>>> the courts.
>>>>
>>>> 21.   The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going
>>>> to
>>>> be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and
>>>> each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the
>>>> situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the
>>>> argument about supervision.
>>>>
>>>> 22.   It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2
>>>> people.
>>>> We
>>>> did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't.
>>>> However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a
>>>> lot of diplomacy.
>>>>
>>>> 23.   What will let us down is the continuous  use of professional
>>>> scribes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 24.   Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court
>>>> and
>>>> Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene.
>>>>
>>>> 25.   Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give
>>>> your
>>>> input on these crucial issues.
>>>>
>>>> 26.   It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to
>>>> face
>>>> a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. I further wish
>>>> that none of my people suffer because of bad scribes.
>>>>
>>>> Kanchan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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