[AI] behaviour of my superior

Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss sathiya.ramdoss at gmail.com
Thu Sep 30 11:19:21 EDT 2010


 The statements that you made here are sounding abrasive  and it did
not add anything valuable to this thread, I opine.

On 9/30/10, akhilesh <akhil.akhil29 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Aisha,
>
> I think you are doing some journalism course, and you're staying in delhi.
> just not thought appropriate to drop this query in your inbox that's
> why writing here.
>
>
> On 9/29/10, aisha sahani <mailtoaishasahani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> well,
>> i wanted to continue this discussion, but  read from moderator just
>> now, will have to close this thread from my end at least.
>>
>> i'd like to get in touch with you about it off the list
>> aisha sahani.
>>
>> On 9/29/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>> I think paying extra money to hold mahesh's hand while in america was not
>>> at
>>> all insisted upon by him.
>>> Boss simply rejected hisnomination due to the fact that they would be
>>> required to hold his hand while traveling in america!!!
>>> Now, what do you say?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aisha sahani
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:17 PM
>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>
>>> I agree that equality is not uniformity, but put yourself in shoes of
>>> his boss, why in the world he'd like to invest extra money for mr.
>>> Mahesh?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm aware there are CSR drives, but you can't fight for CSR things,
>>> they are done as per the company policies and one's own willingness.
>>>
>>> If mr. Mahesh is using jaws in his office, company people might have
>>> provided that, which is a reasonable accommodation.
>>>
>>> Suppose he demands for a daily escort to pick and drop him saying that
>>> his mobility is not good and he is skilled otherwise, would you say
>>> its justified?
>>>
>>> I don't say that its at all possible for a blind person to move with
>>> complete independence, but no one denies you to take help from local
>>> people including strangers, the world is still helpful around the
>>> globe.
>>>
>>> Moreover, that's what i say.
>>> He can surely take help from his colleagues, but he can't insist his
>>> management to pay money to those  colleagues for helping him.
>>>
>>> When i go to college, i take help from strangers to catch the buss, to
>>> reach my destination, etc.
>>> I won't like to ask my parents to pick and drop me every day, as they
>>> all have their own works. Right?
>>>
>>> I guess i'm still independent in mobility.
>>>
>>> For me, the definition of independence is to perform your work without
>>> bothering others.
>>> In fact, if a stranger helps me, he/she is doing from willingness, not
>>> any insistence.
>>> Aisha sahani.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/28/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>>> Of course, of course, she also would  fall foul of coming upto
>>>> expectations
>>>> of votaries  of strict self reliance.
>>>> And, then why madam aisha, do we give maternity leave to female
>>>> employees,
>>>> if everybody is equal and must be treated according to fixed standards
>>>> of
>>>> so-called independent productivity?
>>>>
>>>> Please remember, equality is not uniformity.
>>>> differences have to be duly defered to.
>>>>
>>>> And, let me reitterate again, independent mobility is a myth at least
>>>> for
>>>> blind, let anyone prove me wrong if they can.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
>>>> Sathiyaprakash
>>>> Ramdoss
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:01 AM
>>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>>
>>>>  In addition to Steve Hawkins, are we also taking Helen Keller not in
>>>> to consideration?
>>>>
>>>> On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>>>> Stefen Hawkins better pass his days confined  in his home, no?
>>>>> Why waste time for a cripple and a dumb?
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, mahesh is not asking for any special guide.\
>>>>> Only his team members have to escort him a bit.
>>>>> Stringent laws are the need of the hour.
>>>>> no education or counseling does any good.
>>>>> Coercion is many a times sole basis for morality.
>>>>> That's why whole gamut of godliy heaven and hell  and that's why whole
>>>>> gammut of rule of law.
>>>>> As my psychology teacher remarked once in exasperation at my repeated
>>>>> query
>>>>> about potential of cognitive behavioural approach in changing response
>>>>> to
>>>>> disability:
>>>>> "Mr. Asudani, chastize them with direct verbal onslaught, and the whole
>>>>> attitude would change".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:43 PM
>>>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>>>
>>>>> According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is
>>>>> a
>>>>> poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with,
>>>>> he
>>>>> needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people
>>>>> like
>>>>> you, will not concede him that  amount because your logic is, why
>>>>> should
>>>>> you
>>>>> waste your hard-earned money on him.
>>>>> This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move
>>>>> around.In
>>>>> the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making
>>>>> the
>>>>> name of his company.
>>>>>  But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and
>>>>> people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving
>>>>> about,
>>>>> his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but,
>>>>> suppose,
>>>>> there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his
>>>>> both
>>>>> legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars
>>>>> or
>>>>> conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair
>>>>> around.
>>>>> Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message
>>>>> -----
>>>>> From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" <srinivasu at srinivasu.org>
>>>>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>; "Geetha Shamanna"
>>>>> <geetha at millernorbert.de>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
>>>>>> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
>>>>>> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
>>>>>> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
>>>>>> skills of independence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000 <jadhav.namdeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his
>>>>>>> mobility
>>>>>>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide
>>>>>>> him,
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
>>>>>>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection
>>>>>>> whatsoever.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" geetha at millernorbert.
>>>>>>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mahesh,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
>>>>>>>> independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>> on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently
>>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>>> Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a
>>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>>> extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>> assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
>>>>>>>> colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> blind person they have come across in their whole existence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is
>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>> required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your
>>>>>>>> superior
>>>>>>>> and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after
>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>> during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> his reservations; you can then  address them individually. If you
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how
>>>>>>>> independently
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> fight this battle on our own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to
>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>> conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India
>>>>>>>> arise,
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local
>>>>>>>> events;
>>>>>>>> so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible
>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> events. You will then notice how your superior's impression of you
>>>>>>>> changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geetha
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mahesh Shah" <mss447 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "accessindia" <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:45 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Friends--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am writing to this list after a long time. I wish to tell you an
>>>>>>>> incident happened in my office , which shocked me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every year, a delegation goes from my office, C-DAC, to participate
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> SuperComputing conference in USA. This year I put my self-nomination
>>>>>>>> for this. I am the most qualified and most senior person for the
>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But my boss called me for a one-to-one discussion and informed me
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it will be 'embarrasing' to send a person (VI) like me in . the
>>>>>>>> delegation. Because I will require someone's support and will hold
>>>>>>>> someone's hand. Also if some accident happens to me because of my
>>>>>>>> disability, he and office will be hold responsible for why they sent
>>>>>>>> such a person.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was really shocked and upset with the behaviour. Then I withdrew
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> nomination for participation in the conference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Friends, I want to show you that how these learned so-called
>>>>>>>> superiors
>>>>>>>> fail to understand the VI peoples aspirations and behave in such a
>>>>>>>> nonsense way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing my concerns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mahesh Shah
>>>>>>>> Pune
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>> Mobile: +91 990 081 0881
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