[AI] Examinations

akhilesh akhil.akhil29 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 3 02:51:38 EDT 2010


Dear Mam,
UGC net paper has also be included in the list, and it needs  the
special and seprat attention.
more I'll write later.


On 9/2/10, Kartik Sawhney <sawhney.kartik at gmail.com> wrote:
> We are discussing about tactile formats. But, my question is: there
> are certain figures involving very complecated stuff. And, one
> shouldn't forget 3D diagrams. How can we attempt such questions or
> represent them using tactile diagrams? I'll share my experiences in
> the NTSE here. In the theory test, there were questions on non-verbal
> reasoning as in count the No. of squares, complete the pattern, folded
> paper and what not. Even if we understand the picture, it will be
> difficult for a person who's never seen anything to visualise and
> comprehend the figure properly. Writer's assistance will still be
> required. Eventually, this is not the true ability and intellect of
> the candidate which is being tested. The concept of tactile diagrams
> work well only where the figures are easy to interpret. But, one
> cannot be sure of the complexity in figures. So, according to me, the
> best bet will be alternate theoretical questions, testing the same
> concept in a different way.
>
> -Kartik
>
> On 9/3/10, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamnani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rajesh, very complicated and too much emphasis on the candidate being able
>> to prove and too many variables. anyway lets look at it in more details.
>> The
>> more complicated we make it the tougher it will be to live with later.
>> Getting it passed is not the problem. Need to be practical. Kanchan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations
>>
>>
>>> 1. I said should  not have appeared in the past, primarily to satisfy
>>> paranoids.
>>> However, it is better dropped.
>>> Or at least, a reasonable time limit, say past three years, may be
>>> prescribed.
>>> However, it also will lay the onus of proving the non-appearance on the
>>> candidate or scribe which is difficult.
>>> 2. Upper age limit I mentioned to mean that scribe should not be
>>> ineligible merely due to upper age limit for taking the exam.
>>> So, this condition does not apply to exams where there is no age limit.
>>> Hence, anybody, say who cannot appear for M.A. part 2 in English,
>>> because
>>>
>>> she does not have M.A. part 1 pass certificate in English,  will be able
>>> to be a scribe. So will be anybody who has done PG in say, physics, or
>>> PH.D. in anything but English, for that matter.
>>> Upper age limit will come into play when, say, I take a scribe for SBI
>>> exam where upper age limit is 28 years, and minimum qualification for
>>> applying is graduation.  So, a person who is 35, but who is a graduate
>>> cannot be a scribe, for she could herself have taken   the exam, but for
>>> her being overage. Here, anybody who does not have a graduation degree
>>> will be a scribe....
>>>
>>> I know this condition will deviate a little from strictly having one year
>>> junior scribe, but I propose it to be a short eligibility criteria for
>>> all
>>>
>>> exams.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan
>>> Pamnani
>>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:13 AM
>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations
>>>
>>> 1. How is it possible to prove that someone did not give the exam in the
>>> past? If the writer is younger than the candidate it may be possible but
>>> if
>>> my mom wrote an exam eg. a exam for recruiting to SBI for you then how
>>> will
>>> you prove that she didnt sit for the same exam 30 years ago?
>>>
>>> 2
>>> .
>>> Also there are many exams like M. A.  which does not have an upper age
>>> limit for the candidate so any person who is about 22 years or more even
>>> 100
>>> will be eligible to give the exam. Can such a person be a writer?
>>>
>>> I dont know lets analyse these situations more in depth. I had started
>>> drafting but I put it aside because I knew there were many complications.
>>> I
>>> have read Apoorva, Kartik,Rakesh and Vasu's views. Waiting for others.
>>> This
>>> affects each of us and at various times in our lives.
>>>
>>> I also understand that there is a feeling that there should be tactile
>>> questions and that all visual questions should have alternatives. This is
>>> a
>>> great leap forward. However the young visually challenged have to be
>>> taught
>>> this from school. Are our organisations either special schools or
>>> supplementary facilities ready for this? I can tell you that one of the
>>> turning points in the latest physiotherapy case was when I handed over
>>> tactile diagrams of the foot to the judges. how many organisations have
>>> these machines, how many will do it on time, how many readily teach their
>>> kids to read and understand these?Sorry for going off on a tangent. Lets
>>> get
>>> back to the real issue of the examinations.
>>> Kanchan
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
>>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations
>>>
>>>
>>>> May I add a proviso to the eligibility condition mentioned in my earlier
>>>> mail to the effect that  the scribe  should not have appeared  in the
>>>> same
>>>> exam at any past time, or could have appeared but for upper age limit.
>>>>
>>>> Simplified, the eligibility condition for the scribe should be:
>>>> Anybody who has not appeared for and is not eligible to appear for
>>>> exactly
>>>> the same exam as she is acting as scribe at the time,, and such
>>>> ineligibility should not be merely due to upper age limit for the exam.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pamnani
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM
>>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>>> Subject: [AI] Examinations
>>>>
>>>> Most of you know that I have been working on the guidelines for
>>>> examinations especially the issue of scribes for some time.
>>>> All of us have realised the need for standard guidelines in the country.
>>>> After the maharashtra guidelines were issued many of you approached me
>>>> and
>>>> have been approaching me regularly for All India guidelines.  Therefore
>>>> it
>>>> is time to act.
>>>>
>>>> I have based my work on the:
>>>> 1. Guidelines in Maharashtra
>>>> 2. Minutes of meeting held in2008
>>>> 3. Judgement in Asif's case
>>>> 4. University of Bombay's circular on psychology
>>>>
>>>> I need to know from each of you as to what you want in the new Rules.
>>>> What
>>>> you want to safe guard against,What you want the Examination authority
>>>> to
>>>> take care of and what will be the visually challenged's responsibility.
>>>> Anything that I should take into account especially for any particular
>>>> exam. Please ask for the moon we just might get it of course be
>>>> practical.
>>>> Think of all the variations and combinations and complications that
>>>> someone somewhere may face.  Thats why I am still on this group.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot take care of the idiot who denies the rules but I can ensure
>>>> good
>>>> rules on paper at least. So lets go for it. Please dont send me a list
>>>> of
>>>> what happened in the past I cant rectify it but I can see that it does
>>>> not
>>>> happen again. So requesting for some input.
>>>> The new rules will apply to :
>>>> 1. All recruiting exams
>>>> 2. All college and school exams
>>>> 3. All entrance exams
>>>> 4. any other exam that I have forgotten
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to your inputs
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kanchan
>>>>
>>>> Kanchan Pamnani
>>>> Advocate & Solicitor
>>>> 9, Suleman Chambers,
>>>> Battery Street, Colaba,
>>>> Mumbai - 400 039.
>>>>
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