[AI] Examinations

Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kartik at gmail.com
Fri Sep 3 02:04:39 EDT 2010


We are discussing about tactile formats. But, my question is: there
are certain figures involving very complecated stuff. And, one
shouldn't forget 3D diagrams. How can we attempt such questions or
represent them using tactile diagrams? I'll share my experiences in
the NTSE here. In the theory test, there were questions on non-verbal
reasoning as in count the No. of squares, complete the pattern, folded
paper and what not. Even if we understand the picture, it will be
difficult for a person who's never seen anything to visualise and
comprehend the figure properly. Writer's assistance will still be
required. Eventually, this is not the true ability and intellect of
the candidate which is being tested. The concept of tactile diagrams
work well only where the figures are easy to interpret. But, one
cannot be sure of the complexity in figures. So, according to me, the
best bet will be alternate theoretical questions, testing the same
concept in a different way.

-Kartik

On 9/3/10, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamnani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rajesh, very complicated and too much emphasis on the candidate being able
> to prove and too many variables. anyway lets look at it in more details. The
> more complicated we make it the tougher it will be to live with later.
> Getting it passed is not the problem. Need to be practical. Kanchan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations
>
>
>> 1. I said should  not have appeared in the past, primarily to satisfy
>> paranoids.
>> However, it is better dropped.
>> Or at least, a reasonable time limit, say past three years, may be
>> prescribed.
>> However, it also will lay the onus of proving the non-appearance on the
>> candidate or scribe which is difficult.
>> 2. Upper age limit I mentioned to mean that scribe should not be
>> ineligible merely due to upper age limit for taking the exam.
>> So, this condition does not apply to exams where there is no age limit.
>> Hence, anybody, say who cannot appear for M.A. part 2 in English,  because
>>
>> she does not have M.A. part 1 pass certificate in English,  will be able
>> to be a scribe. So will be anybody who has done PG in say, physics, or
>> PH.D. in anything but English, for that matter.
>> Upper age limit will come into play when, say, I take a scribe for SBI
>> exam where upper age limit is 28 years, and minimum qualification for
>> applying is graduation.  So, a person who is 35, but who is a graduate
>> cannot be a scribe, for she could herself have taken   the exam, but for
>> her being overage. Here, anybody who does not have a graduation degree
>> will be a scribe....
>>
>> I know this condition will deviate a little from strictly having one year
>> junior scribe, but I propose it to be a short eligibility criteria for all
>>
>> exams.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan
>> Pamnani
>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:13 AM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations
>>
>> 1. How is it possible to prove that someone did not give the exam in the
>> past? If the writer is younger than the candidate it may be possible but
>> if
>> my mom wrote an exam eg. a exam for recruiting to SBI for you then how
>> will
>> you prove that she didnt sit for the same exam 30 years ago?
>>
>> 2
>> .
>> Also there are many exams like M. A.  which does not have an upper age
>> limit for the candidate so any person who is about 22 years or more even
>> 100
>> will be eligible to give the exam. Can such a person be a writer?
>>
>> I dont know lets analyse these situations more in depth. I had started
>> drafting but I put it aside because I knew there were many complications.
>> I
>> have read Apoorva, Kartik,Rakesh and Vasu's views. Waiting for others.
>> This
>> affects each of us and at various times in our lives.
>>
>> I also understand that there is a feeling that there should be tactile
>> questions and that all visual questions should have alternatives. This is
>> a
>> great leap forward. However the young visually challenged have to be
>> taught
>> this from school. Are our organisations either special schools or
>> supplementary facilities ready for this? I can tell you that one of the
>> turning points in the latest physiotherapy case was when I handed over
>> tactile diagrams of the foot to the judges. how many organisations have
>> these machines, how many will do it on time, how many readily teach their
>> kids to read and understand these?Sorry for going off on a tangent. Lets
>> get
>> back to the real issue of the examinations.
>> Kanchan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations
>>
>>
>>> May I add a proviso to the eligibility condition mentioned in my earlier
>>> mail to the effect that  the scribe  should not have appeared  in the
>>> same
>>> exam at any past time, or could have appeared but for upper age limit.
>>>
>>> Simplified, the eligibility condition for the scribe should be:
>>> Anybody who has not appeared for and is not eligible to appear for
>>> exactly
>>> the same exam as she is acting as scribe at the time,, and such
>>> ineligibility should not be merely due to upper age limit for the exam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pamnani
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM
>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: [AI] Examinations
>>>
>>> Most of you know that I have been working on the guidelines for
>>> examinations especially the issue of scribes for some time.
>>> All of us have realised the need for standard guidelines in the country.
>>> After the maharashtra guidelines were issued many of you approached me
>>> and
>>> have been approaching me regularly for All India guidelines.  Therefore
>>> it
>>> is time to act.
>>>
>>> I have based my work on the:
>>> 1. Guidelines in Maharashtra
>>> 2. Minutes of meeting held in2008
>>> 3. Judgement in Asif's case
>>> 4. University of Bombay's circular on psychology
>>>
>>> I need to know from each of you as to what you want in the new Rules.
>>> What
>>> you want to safe guard against,What you want the Examination authority to
>>> take care of and what will be the visually challenged's responsibility.
>>> Anything that I should take into account especially for any particular
>>> exam. Please ask for the moon we just might get it of course be
>>> practical.
>>> Think of all the variations and combinations and complications that
>>> someone somewhere may face.  Thats why I am still on this group.
>>>
>>> I cannot take care of the idiot who denies the rules but I can ensure
>>> good
>>> rules on paper at least. So lets go for it. Please dont send me a list of
>>> what happened in the past I cant rectify it but I can see that it does
>>> not
>>> happen again. So requesting for some input.
>>> The new rules will apply to :
>>> 1. All recruiting exams
>>> 2. All college and school exams
>>> 3. All entrance exams
>>> 4. any other exam that I have forgotten
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your inputs
>>> Thanks
>>> Kanchan
>>>
>>> Kanchan Pamnani
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>>> Battery Street, Colaba,
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