[AI] Fw: [jaws-uk] End of Freedom?

Manish Sharma sr.manish at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 12:05:13 EDT 2010


Manish Sharma

(Assistant Professor)
History Department, SSN College
University of Delhi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin r. Howard" <colin at pobox.com>
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Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 6:00 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] End of Freedom?


> Greetings,
>
> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>
> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>
> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>
> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreadonme at bellsouth.net>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>
> Morning,
>
> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by 
> an
> analyst.
> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
> division, mainly their JFW area.
> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible 
> web
> sites, word processing, and E mail.
> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
> program.
> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
> for the kind of money they are asking for.
> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might 
> very
> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, 
> will
> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins 
> to
> outgrow the application.
> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
> Calvo,
> is very short.
> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamusic at uwclub.net>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>
> Hello, Otto,
>
> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
> yet
> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
> supported
> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only 
> in
> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if 
> I'm
> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>
> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it 
> over.
>
> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreadonme at bellsouth.net>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
>
> hi,
>
> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and 
> more
> for only $700.
> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
>
>
> From: Geoff Long <geoff at tisab.demon.co.uk>
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
>
> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
> pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
> which is considerably less expensive, and as I
> had to pay for my training and kit from my own
> pocket, it makes a big difference.
>
> From: "Dr Norman Waddington" <normanwaddington504 at btinternet.com>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> I need no introduction to you on this list.
>
> I am a Jaws user and have paid all the way through out of my own pocket 
> from
> version 3.5 methinks if I remember correctly.
>
>
> From: Anders Holmberg <anders at pipkrokodil.se>
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:37:37 +0200
>
> Hello!
> Also we have nvda as a very good and free alternative.
> And Hal or supernova which costs less money than jaws.
> From: "Mike Stewart" <stewart_1 at verizon.net>
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:58:45 -0600
>
> The entry price is steep, but upgrades only run about $100-$140 or so...
>
> From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamusic at uwclub.net>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:31:33 +0100
>
> Hi, Geoff,
>
> It is expensive to get jaws I agree with that. The problem I have is that
> there are no other programs that support the music side as far as I know. 
> If
> all programs worked as well as microsoft office or outlook express then I
> think Jaws would really be struggling. Most of the other programs that I
> know of don't support many programs apart from the basics.
>
>
>
> From Colin Howard, for whom a small place near  Southampton in
> Southern England, has the honour of providing a home.
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