[AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach

devendra d_nikose at yahoo.co.in
Sun May 23 01:32:27 EDT 2010


Hello sir,
Some one has written in this list that this coach has been converted in 
reserved coach. If it is so, than it is very sad news.I traveled many time 
in this coach with general ticket. I don't know present status of this 
coach.
Regards
Devendra Nikose
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" <srinivasu at srinivasu.org>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach


> Devinder,
> I think, let's not take the thread to a different stage. Let's see for
> a solution how Railways can safe-guard the existing coach to people
> with disanilities and do not entertain other passengers. Asking for
> additional seats is not a priority for now.
>
> On 5/23/10, devendra <d_nikose at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> Yes you are right. What is the ratio of handicapped people in Indian
>> population? Is this four sleeper coach sufficient for the handicapped?
>> Devendra Nikose
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Himanshu Sahu" <sahu.himanshu2010 at gmail.com>
>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach
>>
>>
>>> In my openion, if we would be able to force certain changes into
>>> railway's system then problems can be avoided:
>>> 1. General coach should be located to the middle of train with more
>>> seats than existing.
>>> 2. In every sleeper class compartment, there should be at least three
>>> lower seats reserved for Physically disabled.
>>> 3. reservation of birth should be completely removed from general
>>> disabled coach.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/15/10, tkg <gopithiruvancheri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  dear friends
>>>> to solve the problem my oppinion is that  handicapped coaches open for
>>>> all
>>>> handicapped persons with ordinary tickets.    the handicapped  quota is
>>>> allowed in the other coaches.
>>>> the organizations working in the field   of handicapped wanted to use
>>>> their
>>>> pressure on the authority in this matter.
>>>> best wishes
>>>>
>>>> gopi t k
>>>> skipe id thiruvancherigopi
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "surya narayana" <surya.ganta at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> they have uniform and other understanding with one another. so they
>>>>> can understand who is their men. here we are disabled possibities are
>>>>> less. moreover its hard to recognise the disability in short duration
>>>>> of time before the train moves.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/21/10, Subramani L <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in> wrote:
>>>>>> This is because military is powerful and if they make a noise you can
>>>>>> hear the echo in the Parliament. Whereas if we make noise in front of
>>>>>> the handicapped bogi we would likely be shunted out of the platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subramani
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Tushar
>>>>>> Kansara
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:26 PM
>>>>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach
>>>>>>
>>>>>> military has got full bogie for itself and they dont even open the 
>>>>>> door
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> generals
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:57 PM, surya narayana
>>>>>> <surya.ganta at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do you feel that the coach is enough for all these people along with
>>>>>>> reservation? if all the two lower berths are reserved for 
>>>>>>> handicapped,
>>>>>>> then wat is the status of other general ticket holders let us take
>>>>>>> thisssssssisue with railway minister and other officials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/20/10, Tushar Kansara <tarasnake at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > amiyo
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > if u had the reservation ticket with sl1 reservation
>>>>>>> > it contains train number
>>>>>>> > date
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > and of course one needs certain communication skills to be able to
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> > constructive dialogue with the users of the compartment
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > the lower berth generally gets occupied by seaters and sharers
>>>>>>> > and then in the end it is used by the sleeper
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > so reserved ones take upper berth or keep bag there
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Amiyo Biswas
>>>>>> <amiyo.biswas at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Hello,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I traveled by handicapped couch from Howrah to Delhi by Poorva
>>>>>> Express
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> >> March this year. My reservation was not confirmed and so I had to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> >> facility, in my fellow passengers' terms, at a loss. Anyway, what 
>>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>>> >> understood from the passengers and the RPF on Howrah station is
>>>>>> that if
>>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>>> >> have a handicapped card and a ticket in any form, you can travel 
>>>>>>> >> by
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> >> couch. Escorts are also allowed in the same couch for the
>>>>>> convenience of
>>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>>> >> handicapped passengers. I think, berths in this couch are not
>>>>>> allotted
>>>>>>> >> during reservation process.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> With Best regards,
>>>>>>> >> Amiyo Biswas.
>>>>>>> >> Cell: 91-9433464329
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "surya narayana" <
>>>>>>> surya.ganta at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> hello friends,
>>>>>>> >>> i requested all the guard and railway police force. but no use.
>>>>>>> >>> because there was no chart on the compartment containing my
>>>>>>> >>> reservation details. even if there's any chart, how can we ask 
>>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>>> >>> handicapped fellow men to vacate the seat? they too have the 
>>>>>>> >>> right
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> >>> sit on the seats as well as other passingers. it is pity to note
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> >>> it is totally irrelavant to make arrangements to reserve seats 
>>>>>>> >>> in
>>>>>>> >>> disabled compartment.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On 5/20/10, Tushar Kansara <tarasnake at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> the nearest person who can help u in handicapped coach is the
>>>>>> train
>>>>>>> >>>> guard
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:26 PM, surya narayana
>>>>>>> >>>> <surya.ganta at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Hello sir,
>>>>>>> >>>>> I too have a immemorable and bitter experience with 
>>>>>>> >>>>> handicapped
>>>>>>> coach.
>>>>>>> >>>>> I was given reservation in that coach and could not find my
>>>>>> berth
>>>>>>> >>>>> until i reach visakhapattanam. if you want, i can provide all 
>>>>>>> >>>>> my
>>>>>>> >>>>> experience. basically I am from andhrapradesh.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> On 5/19/10, Subramani L <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Folks (particularly from those in Bangalore):
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> > I am specifically looking for at least one experience from
>>>>>>> Bangalore
>>>>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>>>>> >>>>> in
>>>>>>> >>>>> > order to take my report forward. Though I can mention
>>>>>> experiences
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>>>>> >>>>> VIs
>>>>>>> >>>>> > in other places, it is highly important to get it from those
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Bangalore as I have had a chance of speaking to the 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Divisional
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Manager
>>>>>>> >>>>> > of Railways who claims everything to be hunky-dory. Also,
>>>>>> since my
>>>>>>> >>>>> > newspaper is circulated in Bangalore I need to see if people
>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> >>>>> > have
>>>>>>> >>>>> > had any specific bad experiences in the last three to six
>>>>>> months. >
>>>>>>> >>>>> Kindly
>>>>>>> >>>>> > write abck to me.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Subramani
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> >>>>> > From: Madhu Singhal [mailto:madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com]
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:31 PM
>>>>>>> >>>>> > To: Subramani L
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Subject: Re: regarding Handicapped coach
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Dear Subramani,
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Infact,
>>>>>>> >>>>> > There is no railway staf officially.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > We felt some railway people unoficially was sitting there.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > A big mob had entered saying that this is a women coach.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > But in that crowd there men also.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > the noise was so much and we are two women could not able to
>>>>>> shout.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > There is no commection of this coach from other coach.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > It was quite broad and both the side two long seats up and
>>>>>> down.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > In chinai they did not listen any thing.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > In Bangalore i went to station master,
>>>>>>> >>>>> > he said better you write to southern railway because i can 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > not
>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> any
>>>>>>> >>>>> > action.
>>>>>>> >>>>> > There is no pantry car and this will be the last coach no 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > one
>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> >>>>> > there.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Toilet was also very broad but we never used because
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> maid
>>>>>>> >>>>> > very dirty.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       But i receive a letter from railway authority saying 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > we
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> >>>>> > do any thing regarding coach because i have also given some 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >  >
>>>>>>> >>>>> suggestions.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       They have promised that they will send to concern
>>>>>> authorty.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       After that i did not follow up.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Madhu Singhal.----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       From: Subramani L 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > <mailto:lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in>
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       To: Madhu Singhal <mailto:madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:41 PM
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Subject: RE: regarding Handicapped coach
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Dear Madam:
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       A few questions.... Did the authorities you had
>>>>>> complained to
>>>>>>> >>>>> > (in Chennai and in Bangalore) recognised that it was the
>>>>>>> handicapped
>>>>>>> >>>>> > coach? Or did you struggle explaining to them about the
>>>>>> existence
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>>>>> >>>>> the
>>>>>>> >>>>> > coach itself?
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Did you tell the people getting into the coach that it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> >>>>> > meant for the public and was a special coach for the
>>>>>> handicapped
>>>>>>> >>>>> > persons?
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       What was the reaction of the public when you explained
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> >>>>> > about the purpose of the coach? Did anyone object or use
>>>>>>> threatening
>>>>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>>>>> >>>>> or
>>>>>>> >>>>> > abusive language when you did that?
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Were any railway staff around for to sort out the
>>>>>> confusion?
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       What was the condition of the coach? Was it broad 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > enough
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> >>>>> > people to walk freely? Was it connected with the rest of the
>>>>>>> coaches?
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Were pantry men allowed to sell food?
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Who did you complain to in Bangalore?
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Rgards,
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Subramani
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       From: Madhu Singhal [mailto:madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com]
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:57 PM
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       To: Subramani L
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Subject: Re: regarding Handicapped coach
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Dear Subramani,
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       In 2007 january i was travelling to Chinaifrom
>>>>>> Bangalore.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       I booked my ticket along with friend in a c coach.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       But it was in waiting list and did not confirmed.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Last moment we thaught okay we will try handicap 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > coach.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       We went and sat there.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       It was empty only one disabled person was there.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       We are very happy thinking can go comfortably.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       After contonment one railway staf came and sat.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       There was no TTI.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       But after 15 minute later coach was ful and they were
>>>>>> pushing
>>>>>>> >>>>> > that disabled person.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       After some time we can not even breathe.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Noone came to check the ticket.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       After reaching Chinai i went and told to the station
>>>>>> master.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       He said you can complain after reaching Bangalore.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       After comming here i sent my ticket to the concern
>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>> >>>>> > and
>>>>>>> >>>>> > they diduct the money and sent me the left over money.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       I wrote a letter to the railway department about it.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       I got an answer we will take action but nothing
>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Madhu Singhal.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       The train was Vrindavan express.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               From: Subramani L <mailto:
>>>>>>> lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               To: Madhu Singhal
>>>>>> <mailto:madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:21 PM
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               Subject: regarding Handicapped coach
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               2Dear Madam:
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               I remember you mentioning to me once about the
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>> >>>>> > experience you had in the handicapped coach. Kindly let me
>>>>>> know if
>>>>>>> >>>>> > you
>>>>>>> >>>>> > can speak about it on the record. If you also know anyone in
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Bangalore
>>>>>>> >>>>> > who have similar experience kindly lt me know.
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >               Subramani
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >       Email secured by TPML Electronics
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>> >
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