[AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach

BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA bsvermadurg at gmail.com
Fri May 21 09:42:40 EDT 2010


each state has a railway court. why any NGO working for disabled persons 
file a petition regarding the matter in railway court?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tushar Kansara" <tarasnake at gmail.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach


> we have some experience with local trains here
> there are 2 handicapped coaches on each train with 12 bogie
> during peak hour- many non-handicapped enter an dmake their way in a 
> journey
> avoiding the crowds
> someone complained to the secutiry commissioner of the city and word got
> around
> now there is periodic checking and offenders are warned
> so in each city ensure presence and help of at least station manager or 
> dial
> 100
> surely there are other ideas to make a voice heard in a situation
> we sure have some mouths not meant to shout
> surely there has to be a compromise somewhere
>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:26 AM, SC Vashishth 
> <subhashvashishth at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> See earlier this coach for the disabled was a unreserved general coach
>> meant
>> specially for the disbaled to make their journey comfortable. That means
>> the
>> disabled could travel in this coach with a general third class passenger
>> ticket which is almost one third of the Sleeper class ticket. This was
>> considered appropriate  as poverty and disability has close relation
>> especially in rural India. It was put at the end of coach near guard's
>> cabin
>> considering that guard will be able to supervise alighting and boarding 
>> and
>> give signal accordingly and also take care of their needs.
>>
>> However, gradually there were several petitions, complaints from the
>> usergroups complaining that the coach was used by miscreants and
>> non-disabled travellers in collusion with Railway officials - Police & 
>> TTEs
>> etc. So in order to curb this menace, some Babu in the Railways took a
>> blunderous decision to convert this boggie to a reserved sleeper class
>> compartment for the disabled.
>>
>> The effect is that a disabled person with a general ticket can not travel
>> in
>> this anymore and has to find place only in the general compartment which 
>> is
>> inaccessible. Secondly if a disabled person goes to reserve a sleeper 
>> class
>> ticket, he is handed over the resveration in this disabled boggie.
>>
>> The crucial issue is that Railway has not been able to stop the misuse of
>> the dedicated half boggie for the disabled while persons with 
>> disabilities
>> are suffering most. The decision to convert this boggie to a reserved
>> sleeper boggie must therefore be withdrawn and appropriate provisons be
>> made
>> to check its misuse.
>> regards
>>
>> On 21 May 2010 15:57, surya narayana <surya.ganta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > do you feel that the coach is enough for all these people along with
>> > reservation? if all the two lower berths are reserved for handicapped,
>> > then wat is the status of other general ticket holders let us take
>> > thisssssssisue with railway minister and other officials.
>> >
>> > On 5/20/10, Tushar Kansara <tarasnake at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > amiyo
>> > >
>> > > if u had the reservation ticket with sl1 reservation
>> > > it contains train number
>> > > date
>> > >
>> > > and of course one needs certain communication skills to be able to 
>> > > have
>> a
>> > > constructive dialogue with the users of the compartment
>> > >
>> > > the lower berth generally gets occupied by seaters and sharers
>> > > and then in the end it is used by the sleeper
>> > >
>> > > so reserved ones take upper berth or keep bag there
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Amiyo Biswas <amiyo.biswas at gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hello,
>> > >>
>> > >> I traveled by handicapped couch from Howrah to Delhi by Poorva 
>> > >> Express
>> > in
>> > >> March this year. My reservation was not confirmed and so I had to 
>> > >> use
>> > this
>> > >> facility, in my fellow passengers' terms, at a loss. Anyway, what I
>> > >> understood from the passengers and the RPF on Howrah station is that
>> if
>> > >> you
>> > >> have a handicapped card and a ticket in any form, you can travel by
>> this
>> > >> couch. Escorts are also allowed in the same couch for the 
>> > >> convenience
>> of
>> > >> the
>> > >> handicapped passengers. I think, berths in this couch are not 
>> > >> allotted
>> > >> during reservation process.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> With Best regards,
>> > >> Amiyo Biswas.
>> > >> Cell: 91-9433464329
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "surya narayana" <
>> > surya.ganta at gmail.com
>> > >> >
>> > >> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [AI] FW: regarding Handicapped coach
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> hello friends,
>> > >>> i requested all the guard and railway police force. but no use.
>> > >>> because there was no chart on the compartment containing my
>> > >>> reservation details. even if there's any chart, how can we ask the
>> > >>> handicapped fellow men to vacate the seat? they too have the right 
>> > >>> to
>> > >>> sit on the seats as well as other passingers. it is pity to note 
>> > >>> that
>> > >>> it is totally irrelavant to make arrangements to reserve seats in
>> > >>> disabled compartment.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 5/20/10, Tushar Kansara <tarasnake at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> the nearest person who can help u in handicapped coach is the 
>> > >>>> train
>> > >>>> guard
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:26 PM, surya narayana
>> > >>>> <surya.ganta at gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Hello sir,
>> > >>>>> I too have a immemorable and bitter experience with handicapped
>> > coach.
>> > >>>>> I was given reservation in that coach and could not find my berth
>> > >>>>> until i reach visakhapattanam. if you want, i can provide all my
>> > >>>>> experience. basically I am from andhrapradesh.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On 5/19/10, Subramani L <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in> wrote:
>> > >>>>> > Folks (particularly from those in Bangalore):
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > I am specifically looking for at least one experience from
>> > Bangalore
>> > >>>>> > >
>> > >>>>> in
>> > >>>>> > order to take my report forward. Though I can mention 
>> > >>>>> > experiences
>> > of
>> > >>>>> > >
>> > >>>>> VIs
>> > >>>>> > in other places, it is highly important to get it from those in
>> > >>>>> > Bangalore as I have had a chance of speaking to the Divisional
>> > >>>>> > Manager
>> > >>>>> > of Railways who claims everything to be hunky-dory. Also, since
>> my
>> > >>>>> > newspaper is circulated in Bangalore I need to see if people 
>> > >>>>> > here
>> > >>>>> > have
>> > >>>>> > had any specific bad experiences in the last three to six 
>> > >>>>> > months.
>> >
>> > >>>>> Kindly
>> > >>>>> > write abck to me.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Subramani
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>> > From: Madhu Singhal [mailto:madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com]
>> > >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:31 PM
>> > >>>>> > To: Subramani L
>> > >>>>> > Subject: Re: regarding Handicapped coach
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Dear Subramani,
>> > >>>>> > Infact,
>> > >>>>> > There is no railway staf officially.
>> > >>>>> > We felt some railway people unoficially was sitting there.
>> > >>>>> > A big mob had entered saying that this is a women coach.
>> > >>>>> > But in that crowd there men also.
>> > >>>>> > the noise was so much and we are two women could not able to
>> shout.
>> > >>>>> > There is no commection of this coach from other coach.
>> > >>>>> > It was quite broad and both the side two long seats up and 
>> > >>>>> > down.
>> > >>>>> > In chinai they did not listen any thing.
>> > >>>>> > In Bangalore i went to station master,
>> > >>>>> > he said better you write to southern railway because i can not
>> take
>> > >
>> > >>>>> any
>> > >>>>> > action.
>> > >>>>> > There is no pantry car and this will be the last coach no one
>> come
>> > >>>>> > there.
>> > >>>>> >       Toilet was also very broad but we never used because they
>> > maid
>> > >>>>> > very dirty.
>> > >>>>> >       But i receive a letter from railway authority saying we 
>> > >>>>> > can
>> > not
>> > >>>>> > do any thing regarding coach because i have also given some >
>> > >>>>> suggestions.
>> > >>>>> >       They have promised that they will send to concern 
>> > >>>>> > authorty.
>> > >>>>> >       After that i did not follow up.
>> > >>>>> >       Madhu Singhal.----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>>> >       From: Subramani L <mailto:lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in>
>> > >>>>> >       To: Madhu Singhal <mailto:madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> >       Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:41 PM
>> > >>>>> >       Subject: RE: regarding Handicapped coach
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       Dear Madam:
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       A few questions.... Did the authorities you had 
>> > >>>>> > complained
>> to
>> > >>>>> > (in Chennai and in Bangalore) recognised that it was the
>> > handicapped
>> > >>>>> > coach? Or did you struggle explaining to them about the 
>> > >>>>> > existence
>> > of
>> > >>>>> > >
>> > >>>>> the
>> > >>>>> > coach itself?
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       Did you tell the people getting into the coach that it 
>> > >>>>> > was
>> > not
>> > >>>>> > meant for the public and was a special coach for the 
>> > >>>>> > handicapped
>> > >>>>> > persons?
>> > >>>>> >       What was the reaction of the public when you explained to
>> > them
>> > >>>>> > about the purpose of the coach? Did anyone object or use
>> > threatening
>> > >>>>> > >
>> > >>>>> or
>> > >>>>> > abusive language when you did that?
>> > >>>>> >       Were any railway staff around for to sort out the
>> confusion?
>> > >>>>> >       What was the condition of the coach? Was it broad enough
>> for
>> > >>>>> > people to walk freely? Was it connected with the rest of the
>> > coaches?
>> > >>>>> > Were pantry men allowed to sell food?
>> > >>>>> >       Who did you complain to in Bangalore?
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       Rgards,
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       Subramani
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>> >       From: Madhu Singhal [mailto:madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com]
>> > >>>>> >       Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:57 PM
>> > >>>>> >       To: Subramani L
>> > >>>>> >       Subject: Re: regarding Handicapped coach
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       Dear Subramani,
>> > >>>>> >       In 2007 january i was travelling to Chinaifrom Bangalore.
>> > >>>>> >       I booked my ticket along with friend in a c coach.
>> > >>>>> >       But it was in waiting list and did not confirmed.
>> > >>>>> >       Last moment we thaught okay we will try handicap coach.
>> > >>>>> >       We went and sat there.
>> > >>>>> >       It was empty only one disabled person was there.
>> > >>>>> >       We are very happy thinking can go comfortably.
>> > >>>>> >       After contonment one railway staf came and sat.
>> > >>>>> >       There was no TTI.
>> > >>>>> >       But after 15 minute later coach was ful and they were
>> pushing
>> > >>>>> > that disabled person.
>> > >>>>> >       After some time we can not even breathe.
>> > >>>>> >       Noone came to check the ticket.
>> > >>>>> >       After reaching Chinai i went and told to the station
>> master.
>> > >>>>> >       He said you can complain after reaching Bangalore.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       After comming here i sent my ticket to the concern
>> authority
>> > >>>>> > and
>> > >>>>> > they diduct the money and sent me the left over money.
>> > >>>>> >       I wrote a letter to the railway department about it.
>> > >>>>> >       I got an answer we will take action but nothing happened.
>> > >>>>> >       Madhu Singhal.
>> > >>>>> >       The train was Vrindavan express.
>> > >>>>> >               ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>>> >               From: Subramani L <mailto:
>> > lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >               To: Madhu Singhal <mailto:
>> madhu.singhal59 at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> >               Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:21 PM
>> > >>>>> >               Subject: regarding Handicapped coach
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >               2Dear Madam:
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >               I remember you mentioning to me once about the 
>> > >>>>> > bad
>> > >>>>> > experience you had in the handicapped coach. Kindly let me know
>> if
>> > >>>>> > you
>> > >>>>> > can speak about it on the record. If you also know anyone in
>> > >>>>> > Bangalore
>> > >>>>> > who have similar experience kindly lt me know.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >               Subramani
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >       Email secured by TPML Electronics
>> > >>>>> >
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