[AI] SSC Scribe experience

Pamnani kanchanpamnani at gmail.com
Wed May 19 00:41:31 EDT 2010


Before anyone comments on Sameer's mail I have to clarify a few points so 
please dont respond till you read my next mail. I will try and do it later 
in the day.
Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sameer" <salatey at gawab.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] SSC Scribe experience


>
> Dear Rajesh Sir,
>
> I had approached the Mumbai High Court for relief when NABARD had placed 
> unjustifiable restrictions on who could be a scribe. NABARD's central 
> contention was that since they were a Central organisation, the scribe 
> guidelines framed by the Maharashtra courts were not applicable to them. 
> But the Mumbai High Court rejected that contention.
>
> Could we not cite that judgement as precedent with the central authorities 
> like the Staff Selection Commission?
>
> Regards
> Mr. Sameer Latey,
> Mumbai, India
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] SSC Scribe experience
>
>
>> Kanchan
>> I do understand your perception of the matter.
>> However, let me clarify a bit:
>> 1. SSC in this case refers to staff selection commission and not 
>> Maharashtra SSC board.
>> 2. We know that it is a central government body and so for Maharashtra 
>> guidelines to apply, we would have to run into controversy.
>> 3. Yes, there was discussion in AI about SSC scribe last week and 
>> everyone was assured that SSC provides the scribe. This was based on the 
>> practice of imposing scribe followed hitherto, and I have found out it 
>> was followed this year also at some centers across India.
>> In fact, form also  contained column for scribe giving rise to 
>> presumption that this year also same practice of invariably providing 
>> random scribes would be followed. We  made candidates accept it 
>> provisionally because we are impotent as a group and have not been able 
>> to effect any change in scribe policy hitherto.
>>
>> I don't know why the members are not sharing their experiences this year.
>>
>> 4. I am well aware of Maharashtra guidelines and in fact was instrumental 
>> in drafting them.
>>
>> 5. Your contention that we were not proactive is misconceived.
>> Any blind person is well aware how tough  is it to arrange good scribe at 
>> eleventh  hour, and I did it for him, but flat refusal of center 
>> authorities to permit him to write the exam because reporting time was 
>> over, made me intervene in my usual way when things reach extreme. I am 
>> glad I could make a difference in a case and he was permitted to take the 
>> exam, though in rangling and arranging scribe, he lost extra time.
>>
>> Approaching court is not possible for every blind and in every case.
>> And, yes, I am also cynical about judiciary......
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
>> Him."
>>
>>                                        --Arthur C. Clarke
>>
>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>
>> Assistant General Manager,
>> Reserve Bank of India
>> Nagpur
>> 09420397185
>> O: 0712 2806676
>> Res: 0712 2591349
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in 
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan 
>> Pamnani
>> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:30 PM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] SSC Scribe experience
>>
>> Rajesh
>>
>> I havent been checking my mails recently so I dont seem to have read any
>> discussion on scribes recently. There are some points I d like to bring 
>> to
>> the attention of the readers from Maharashtra. I think you know these.
>>  I am quite shocked with your friend's experience.
>> The Maharashtra SSC board is governed by the Guidelines of the Bombay 
>> High
>> Court dated December 2006. these are the only comprehensive guidelines
>> anywhere in India. I had said while drafting these guidelines that they 
>> are
>> not the final words on the subject and would be improved upon in course 
>> of
>> time. Anyway nothing further has happened.
>> However good or bad these guidelines are, they are the only guidelines on
>> the subject. They are fairly clear and there are hardly any ambiguities 
>> and
>> there should not be arbitarieness.
>>
>> Nagpur or any village examination and every Examining Authority in
>> Maharashtra is governed by these guidelines.
>> 1. The Application form must mention the column for scribe.
>> 2. The candidate must be allowed to arange a scribe. Only if the 
>> candidate
>> cant arrange one then the examining authority must arrange one.
>> 3. We have enough experience with the kinds of scribe provided by 
>> Examining
>> Authority so i dont know why your friend did not write to the Board and 
>> get
>> his scribe approved.
>>
>> The normal procedure is that once you are visually challenged you write 
>> to
>> the Board via your school and ask for the rules and tell the Examining
>> Authority much before the exam. You have to submit details about your
>> scribe.
>>
>> It has been a common practise in Mumbai to submit the scribes bonafide
>> certificate, copy of i card etc.
>> Get the approval letter from the Examining Body and then carry that 
>> letter
>> everyday when you give the exams.
>>
>> I dont think your friend followed the procedure. I have no idea about the
>> precedent.
>> yes I am aware that the Examining authority started by making the mistake 
>> on
>> the application form itself but your friend had to be most cautious.  I 
>> know
>> what a tough world it is for us. I live it every minute. The only words 
>> that
>> come to my mind is that I wasnt promised a rose garden but the thorns 
>> really
>> hurt and unfortunately they keep hurting all our lives. There is no 
>> respite
>> from the pain of being visually challenged and living in this world  You
>> have no idea about the effort that I make every morning to psych myself 
>> into
>> believing that the day will work out.
>> Most of the times it does work out . Therefore I do advise everyone on 
>> this
>> group to look hopefully at things and not cynically before things even
>> become a mess.
>> Therefore glitches like the one you described do come up. However a 
>> little
>> or maybe lots of effort before the event would have saved him the 
>> heartbreak
>> later.
>>
>> Recently Vishal Jain had to fight a battle about scribes.  Garima had to 
>> do
>> so in her own way. For Sameer we had to go to court. In another case that 
>> is
>> for Kritika although the issue was much larger we ensured that she had 
>> the
>> benefit of the guidelines. We did not wait for the government to make a
>> mistake we were proactive.
>>
>> I always advise Pranay to cover this issue in November on eyeway so that
>> corespondence can be started early.This has helped many students.
>>
>>  Try to challenge the exams in Court and in any event lodge your protest
>> with the authorities.
>>
>> If you dont have the guidelines let me know I will email it to you. Cant
>> attach them to accessindia mails.
>> Kanchan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [AI] SSC Scribe experience
>>
>>
>>> Friends
>>> We were discussing here last week about the issue and everyone was 
>>> assured
>>> that in SSC exam of may 16th, SSC will provide the scribe, as it has 
>>> done
>>> in past.
>>> Now, I want to know the experience of examinees yesterday, whether
>>> suitable scribe was in fact provided, and if at all any scribe was
>>> provided.
>>> Here, in Nagpur a friend of mine had to undergo agony as they flatly
>>> refused to provide any scribe at the eleventh hour and asked him to
>>> arrange his own.
>>> When I reached the venue with scribe for him, the refused to permit him 
>>> to
>>> write the exam, as the prescribed time of half an hour for reporting was
>>> over!!!
>>>
>>> Finally, I had to intervene in my usual cynical way to make them admit 
>>> him
>>> for the exam!!!!!
>>>
>>> Now, whether at other centers similar tales are repeated, or as usual
>>> scribe was provided, suitable or not that's another story...But at least
>>> in Nagpur this injustice was done.
>>> If anybody wants to say that it is a random incident confined to limited
>>> area like Nagpur, then please do not reply to this thread,
>>> The point I am trying to make is that arbitrariness prevails pertaining 
>>> to
>>> scribe issue.
>>> In fact SSC ad did not mention about scribe, and all of us had assumed
>>> that like previous years, they would do the need full.
>>>
>>> All this we are suffering because of lack of any clarity on scribe 
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> Let us, while suggesting for a brand new law, thrash out all these
>>> absurdities...
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
>>> Him."
>>>
>>>                                        --Arthur C. Clarke
>>>
>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>>
>>> Assistant General Manager,
>>> Reserve Bank of India
>>> Nagpur
>>> 09420397185
>>> O: 0712 2806676
>>> Res: 0712 2591349
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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