[AI] disability field in sensus

Subramani L lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in
Sun Apr 18 12:48:08 EDT 2010


Sorry folks, I meant to write nothing should prevent us from openly
talking about our disability. 

Subramani 

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[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:50 PM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus

As mentioned before, I can see the rationale behind Rahul's argument,
but if the question comes down to disclosing our disability or not, I
shall say nothing should prevent us from hiding it. It is like trying to
conceal the information about our disability before a job interview. The
fact is, someone will see it and we will have to explain it later. 

Subramani 



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[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:26 PM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus

Rahul:

Taking the spirit of what you conveyed. You don't want to be
discriminated 
putting it simply.

In the case of a person say those who are having orthopedic condition,
the 
photo on the ID card won't reveal disability

NO one wants to be discriminated and it is natural to oppose something
which 
seems to do just that.

Lets examine some cases which would help keeping annonymity of
disability. 
Maybe job interview, admission to colleges, loans and insurance etc.

In all these cases it help in the first stage. Eventually, you will have
to 
intract with them in person and if one is inclined to discriminate then
he 
possessess many ways to legally and rightfully discriminate against you.

Therefore if we look it realistically it does not help a bit except
feeling 
good to postpone the inevetible.

In the other hand presently we are following the rights based model
wherein 
services are offered not on the basis of sympathy and snubbing ones
esteem.

We have just adopted to that framework and it shall take some time to 
percolate.

There is more to gain not being shy about disability and aserting ones 
right. This is the only way we can stop discrimination because we refuse
to 
get discriminated againstand each one takes it on oneself.

I believe the example of Godhra and Jews were illustrated to make a
point 
and you don't believe disability info could result in such a situation.

Harish.

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From: "rahul cherian" <rahul.cherian at inclusiveplanet.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus


> Subramani,
>
> My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a 
> negative
> opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For
example,
> India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the
private
> sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in
mind
> that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world
at
> large views people with disability as people with "lesser" capability.
As
> more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible

> that
> the private sector may stop providing services to people with
disability
> (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where
services 
> can
> be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc.
>
> Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In
Hitler's
> Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on 
> their
> clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews
to
> concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not
saying
> that in this day and age people with disability are going to be
gassed. 
> But
> I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available 
> publicly.
> I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of
it:-),
> earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit
of
> information I consider private and I should have the option to
disclose 
> this
> information and this information should not be automatically available
> publicly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rahul
>
> On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in>
wrote:
>
>> I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person
can
>> feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other
>> identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One
of
>> the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we
>> always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding
we
>> are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will
be
>> rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not
>> such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide
that
>> fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below
mail,
>> but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I
>> often try telling them that feeling uncomfortable about their
identity
>> will always tell others that they have a poor self esteem. Like how
>> Africans defined blackness with the phrase "Black is beautiful" I
>> wouldn't mind telling people that "blindness has its own beauty and
>> serenity" We are not exactly conveying our equality with others by
>> merely talking about our rights, we do that only by making others
>> understand that we are like them in every other aspects. So if I want
to
>> announce my disability to convey my different'ness and also express
the
>> desire to be a part of the greater humanity, I shall do that. I
remember
>> posting a poem by Ben Okary called 'To an English friend in Africa'
in
>> which he says: "... So fear not my friend, the darkness is gentler
than
>> you think". This is what I mean by being at ease about our condition
in
>> life.
>>
>> Subramani
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jignesh
>> thakur
>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 AM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
>>
>> Dear Sirs,
>> If person has any disease such high BP, and he doesn't mansion on the
>> card, it does mean that he is trying to escape from the problem, or
he
>> or she is hiding something from the world, or he or she is Acting
like
>> an ostrich
>> Sorry to say but I don't see any benefit of writing disability on the
>> card. It will simply destroy our chances of expectance at many
places.
>> Without manssioning disability at least we will have an opportunity
to
>> prove ourself. I think my example of trading account is enough. And I
>> strongly believe that many of you have experienced the same at some
>> point.
>> At the same time we should have separate disability card, so we can
>> produce it where ever it necessary.
>> Let me tell you again that I am not trying to hurt anybody. I am
>> learning from you all.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On 4/18/10, sandeep singh <sandeepsingh477 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> > Acting like an ostrich will not do. If we are disabled in some way,
>> > we have to acknowledge it and if others don't, well, that's what we
>> > are fighting for! If we keep being afraid of being disabled, the
>> > world won't care anyway.
>> > Regards,
>> > Sandeep
>> >
>> > At 12:11 AM 18-04-10, you wrote:
>> >>Sir,
>> >>In our country many people consider disability as like asirias
crime.
>> >>There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion
on
>> >>the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected
>> >>automatically. We live in the country where people have not much
>> >>respect for disable person.
>> >>My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a
chanse
>> >>to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my
>> >>documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly,
but
>> >>when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that
I
>> >>am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my
application.
>> >>How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had
>> >>produced disability card at that time the result might have
different.
>> >>That's why I am against it.
>> >>Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far
>> >>better than me. I am just writing my thoughts.
>> >>Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 4/17/10, raghuraman <thinkdontblink at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > friends, i really couldnt understand the outlook of a few of our
>> >> friends who
>> >> > doesn't like the disability field in u i d card
>> >> > actually speaking, we are of course disabled and it must be
>> >> acknowledged and
>> >> > accepted just as a teacher is a teacher and a lawyer is a lawyer
>> >> > moreover, by not including the disability field in the u i d
card
>> >> we need to
>> >> > use different forms or cards to get our different benifits
>> >> > also i heard that in fact the n p r performa doesn't  have
>> disability
>> >> > field
>> >> > is it right
>> >> > if so, what are the steps have we taken to resolve these
problems
>> >> > please explain
>> >> > cheers raghu
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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