[AI] disability field in sensus

jignesh thakur jigneshthakur21 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 18 07:22:29 EDT 2010


You are right sir, but the points of rahul looks more practical.
Here my intention is not competing with anybody because it is
impossible task to say subramani sir is wrong. Because I always
respect his views. But at this time I feel it is far from reality.
I am really sorry if somebody is hurt.
Thanks.


On 4/18/10, Subramani L <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in> wrote:
> I understand this concern, which is expressed widespread in various
> forums I attend. Of course, there won't be a pogrom against disability,
> but as you say there has to be first a non-discrimination law which not
> only mentions disability, but also other more important factors like
> religion caste etc. Given that people purchase our Email ids, which is
> kind of virtual identity for many of us, and then spam us (which is
> worse than gassing in my opinion), it is quite possible that our details
> may land up in the hands of unscrupulous elements. I am reminded of "Day
> of the Jackal" in which the killer assumes the identity of a dead man
> and presents himself in his name. Probably this could very well happen.
> As part of the legal fraternity, you guys must press for the non
> discrimination law before UID is implemented which is the only safety
> net for us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul
> cherian
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:01 PM
> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
>
> Subramani,
>
> My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a
> negative
> opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For
> example,
> India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private
> sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind
> that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at
> large views people with disability as people with "lesser" capability.
> As
> more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible
> that
> the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability
> (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services
> can
> be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc.
>
> Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's
> Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on
> their
> clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to
> concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not
> saying
> that in this day and age people with disability are going to be gassed.
> But
> I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available
> publicly.
> I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of it:-),
> earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit of
> information I consider private and I should have the option to disclose
> this
> information and this information should not be automatically available
> publicly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rahul
>
> On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in>
> wrote:
>
>> I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person
> can
>> feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other
>> identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One of
>> the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we
>> always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding
> we
>> are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will be
>> rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not
>> such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide
> that
>> fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below
> mail,
>> but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I
>> often try telling them that feeling uncomfortable about their identity
>> will always tell others that they have a poor self esteem. Like how
>> Africans defined blackness with the phrase "Black is beautiful" I
>> wouldn't mind telling people that "blindness has its own beauty and
>> serenity" We are not exactly conveying our equality with others by
>> merely talking about our rights, we do that only by making others
>> understand that we are like them in every other aspects. So if I want
> to
>> announce my disability to convey my different'ness and also express
> the
>> desire to be a part of the greater humanity, I shall do that. I
> remember
>> posting a poem by Ben Okary called 'To an English friend in Africa' in
>> which he says: "... So fear not my friend, the darkness is gentler
> than
>> you think". This is what I mean by being at ease about our condition
> in
>> life.
>>
>> Subramani
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jignesh
>> thakur
>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 AM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
>>
>> Dear Sirs,
>> If person has any disease such high BP, and he doesn't mansion on the
>> card, it does mean that he is trying to escape from the problem, or he
>> or she is hiding something from the world, or he or she is Acting like
>> an ostrich
>> Sorry to say but I don't see any benefit of writing disability on the
>> card. It will simply destroy our chances of expectance at many places.
>> Without manssioning disability at least we will have an opportunity to
>> prove ourself. I think my example of trading account is enough. And I
>> strongly believe that many of you have experienced the same at some
>> point.
>> At the same time we should have separate disability card, so we can
>> produce it where ever it necessary.
>> Let me tell you again that I am not trying to hurt anybody. I am
>> learning from you all.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On 4/18/10, sandeep singh <sandeepsingh477 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> > Acting like an ostrich will not do. If we are disabled in some way,
>> > we have to acknowledge it and if others don't, well, that's what we
>> > are fighting for! If we keep being afraid of being disabled, the
>> > world won't care anyway.
>> > Regards,
>> > Sandeep
>> >
>> > At 12:11 AM 18-04-10, you wrote:
>> >>Sir,
>> >>In our country many people consider disability as like asirias
> crime.
>> >>There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion
> on
>> >>the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected
>> >>automatically. We live in the country where people have not much
>> >>respect for disable person.
>> >>My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a
> chanse
>> >>to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my
>> >>documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly,
> but
>> >>when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I
>> >>am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my
> application.
>> >>How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had
>> >>produced disability card at that time the result might have
> different.
>> >>That's why I am against it.
>> >>Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far
>> >>better than me. I am just writing my thoughts.
>> >>Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 4/17/10, raghuraman <thinkdontblink at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > friends, i really couldnt understand the outlook of a few of our
>> >> friends who
>> >> > doesn't like the disability field in u i d card
>> >> > actually speaking, we are of course disabled and it must be
>> >> acknowledged and
>> >> > accepted just as a teacher is a teacher and a lawyer is a lawyer
>> >> > moreover, by not including the disability field in the u i d card
>> >> we need to
>> >> > use different forms or cards to get our different benifits
>> >> > also i heard that in fact the n p r performa doesn't  have
>> disability
>> >> > field
>> >> > is it right
>> >> > if so, what are the steps have we taken to resolve these problems
>> >> > please explain
>> >> > cheers raghu
>> >> >
>> >> >
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