[AI] Writing style

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Thu Feb 14 02:34:04 EST 2008


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Viraj" <vkafle at gmail.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style


> Hi,
>
> Please note that nowhere in its guidelines this list emphasises on any
> particular standard of language to be maintained. Besides, people joining
> this list are of various educational levels and background. To expect from
> all of us to use a perfectly refined English, therefore, does not appear
> justified. True, one must always improve. But one must not make a regid
> distinction in terms of being higher or lower in terms of one's language
> skills. As Ved Prakash sir said, one can always ask for clarifications if
> things do not sound clear. I would add that there seems no problem if one
> suggests someone to improve his/her language skills. But I see no reasons 
> to
> get "appalled", nor do we should behave to someone as if one has committed
> some crime.
>
> You haven't named anyone. But it is more than obvious that you reacted to
> Govind's introductory mail. The mistakes he made by no means barred us 
> from
> understanding what he want to say or request. Having a career of a voice 
> and
> accent trainer (or any career for that matter) ahead, he will have to do a
> lot of hard work, true. But for no good reason should he take his
> achievements so far as a matter of "shame".
>
> What appears appalling to me is the way someone has to apologise for once
> communication method, even when that method, albeit a bit odd in terms of
> grammar and syntax, was sufficient enough to convey his ideas. Let this 
> list
> not be a place restricted only for perfect English speakers/writers, but 
> the
> one in which we all, regardless of our communication skills, can exchange
> our ideas, views and knowledge on the topics meant to be discussed here.
>
> Regards.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ketan Kothari" <muktaketan at gmail.com>
> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
>
>
>>I do not understand what your problem is, Amit.  If people feel insulted
>> then all the more they would try to improve.  And, remember, I have not
>> named anyone.  I still maintain what I wrote the other day and shall
>> continue to do so.  If I am coming across as offensive the moderator is
>> free
>> to ban me.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt at gmail.com>
>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
>>
>>
>>> Dear Ketan,
>>> Nobody would like to differ with the thought that one must always try to
>>> improve his language skills and I Am happy to know that you want let
>>> others
>>> to enhance their abilities and skills but see, from psychological point
>>> of
>>> view, I seriously doubt whether everyone will be that much of mentally
>>> strong enough to be advised in front of over 400 members. Specially when
>>> we
>>> write like: "If you expect to become voice and accent trainer and this 
>>> is
>>> the language you use then ... God may help you.  The spelling and 
>>> grammar
>>> errors in the mails are just shocking."
>>> My only concern is that why we need to give our comment with such
>>> statements
>>> between the public while we endeavor to make someone correct.
>>> And then I Am also not sure whether use of words like "great shame" will
>>> encourage and help someone   enriching  his skills.
>>> Giving the right direction is indeed in our favor but making such
>>> statement
>>> in public seems to me like surplus to the requirements.
>>> "Appreciate in public and criticize in private." I think this principal
>>> should be followed when we want a person to work towards improvisation 
>>> of
>>> any skill.
>>> Moreover, this is not a language development forum. I never ever said
>>> that
>>> enhancement of our skills is not required but I just wanted to convey 
>>> the
>>> right way to make someone understand on  the group of the people.
>>> Please do not take me otherwise. These are my own views and thoughts 
>>> and
>>> have no intention to go against you or anyone else.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Amit Bhatt
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ketan Kothari" <muktaketan at gmail.com>
>>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am distressed to write again.  I feel that we have decided to be the
>>>> second best at all times.  My humble submission is that we must aim at
>>> being
>>>> the best as far as possible.  In fact, only because we are not native
>>>> speakers of English we need to take special care.  Also, when we claim
>>>> to
>>>> have acquired formal education upto a certain level a definitive
>>>> standard
>>> is
>>>> expected of us.
>>>>
>>>> If all this sounds discouraging, then God save us.  We do not deserve 
>>>> to
>>> get
>>>> any better reception in society than we get presently.  In fact, we 
>>>> must
>>>> always aim higher.  I am not at all talking all this from a pedestal 
>>>> but
>>>> would be really ashamed if I am not able to maintain a certain standard
>>>> of
>>>> language capabilities after a certain level of education.  Let us not 
>>>> be
>>>> apologetic of our mistakes but learn whenever we can and from wherever
>>>> we
>>>> can.  I think the list is for healthy discussion in a way that is
>>>> comfortable and comprehensible.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Only good written and spoken language is not quite enough to prove
>>>> > that
>>>> > you
>>>> > are a gentleman or a person with good understanding. If we talk about
>>>> > mistakes, then why to focus on language only, why not to take other
>>>> > part
>>>> > of
>>>> > our mistakes. I simply mean, are we not committing any mistake by
>>>> > discussing
>>>> > this off topic on the list? You rightly said: We are not English
>>> teachers
>>>> > and I would also like to add in favor of your statement that even
>>>> > taking
>>>> > such language classes are  perhaps not allowed here!
>>>> > I think improving language skills is secondary matter but
>>>> > concentrating
>>>> > towards betterment of attitude and civilization on priority bases is
>>> most
>>>> > necessary for some of our members. Secondly, I too didn't like the 
>>>> > way
>>> of
>>>> > some people of providing solution to other in a most discouraging
>>>> > expression. One is need to be very careful and encouraging while
>>>> > making
>>>> > other understand. Encouraging other for their good is a moral duty of
>>>> > every
>>>> > human being but the way should not be that insulting.
>>>> > If we are really serious in making other people fine in every aspect,
>>> then
>>>> > we don't need to let other feel shy or humiliated, we need to let 
>>>> > them
>>>> > feel
>>>> > comfortable and confident.
>>>> > We have started discussing this matter like nun of us had any 
>>>> > relevant
>>>> > subject to discuss here! I think Mr. Gobind or any member could be
>>>> > suggested
>>>> > at his personal ID with some better way.
>>>> > Dear Gobind, You don't need to be apologized, there is nothing that
>>>> > you
>>>> > feel sorry for any mistake. We all are here to learn and provide the
>>> right
>>>> > solution. No one is deputed here to observe the language mistakes. If
>>>> > we
>>>> > understand the problem or matter by his or her expression, we are
>>>> > simply
>>>> > expected to respond just that query in spite of making an issue. A
>>> person
>>>> > can learn well in a friendly and good environment. So friends, please
>>>> > teach
>>>> > and let other have an opportunity to learn English or whatever but
>>>> > first
>>>> > create an atmosphere in order to fulfill the aims.
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Amit Bhatt
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <vadhimoolam at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> I think that Improvisation should be the goal for us in terms of our
>>>> >> language skills. However one should bear in mind that none of us are
>>>> >> native English speakers and henceforth we should be very careful
>>>> >> wwhile evaluating others and after all, we are not English teachers
>>>> >> here on the list and I am a bit unhappy about the big brother
>>>> >> attitude. I am also a bit dessatisfied in such comments about 
>>>> >> other's
>>>> >> poor communicative skills. Having said that I leave any further
>>>> >> comment on this topic to the moderators. But just a word before I
>>>> >> sign-off on this topic and it goes out to those with poor
>>>> >> communicative skills. Hey guise, you have nothing to loose. If I
>>>> >> would
>>>> >> have taken such dominating attitude seriously, then I would not have
>>>> >> been where I am today. Therefore you have nothing to loose but to
>>>> >> gain
>>>> >> your self confidence.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Vetri.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 09/02/2008, Abdul Razique <1988.abdul at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > I totally agree with Shadab bhai.
>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> > From: "Shadab Husain" <shadabhsn at gmail.com>
>>>> >> > To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:35 PM
>>>> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > Writing style is something which cannot be changed as it 
>>>> >> > > reflects
>>> our
>>>> >> > > nature - so I presume the subject for this discussion should be
>>> "Mind
>>>> >> > > your language" or if this sounds offensive then "Check your
>>> language"
>>>> >> > > to begin with.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Well, I would say that there is no need telling others to write
>>>> >> > > correct grammar here because the chief motive of this list is to
>>>> >> > > solve
>>>> >> > > the problems of blinds and not to promote good language skills -
>>>> >> > > however, to my amazement, I have seen folks joining with poor
>>>> >> > > language
>>>> >> > > and soon bringing a remarkable refinement in their language by
>>>> >> > > reading
>>>> >> > > and writing here. Would it not be hobbling for them if we
>>> discourage
>>>> >> > > them from the very outset by such insensitive comments? Tell me.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > It is plain common sense that nobody will make a dork of himself
>>>> >> > > by
>>>> >> > > intentionally making a blunder before such a great number of
>>> members.
>>>> >> > > We should not send out such discouraging comments because they
>>> might
>>>> >> > > suppress many bright futures beneath bashfulness.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > I will simply add logic prevails and this Mr Subramani would be
>>> well
>>>> >> > > knowing as he would have edited many great thinkers with poor
>>>> >> > > language. So there is no need caring a gory toss for English
>>> grammar
>>>> >> > > here. Cracking such books and quickly dashing it off has always
>>> been
>>>> >> > > a
>>>> >> > > damn fun for me - try, you might enjoy it.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Dear Govind,
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Congratulations. I presume in future your best selling point 
>>>> >> > > will
>>> be
>>>> >> > > your courage of frankly expressing yourself. Get on with the
>>>> >> > > life -
>>>> >> > > it
>>>> >> > > has a habit of welcoming the encouraged ones.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Friends, I was not writing on this topic - but I did want to
>>>> >> > > encourage
>>>> >> > > the members who do not have a good English background like me 
>>>> >> > > and
>>>> >> > > therefore might refrain from posting on the list. This was the
>>>> >> > > only
>>>> >> > > reason why I was bound - pardon me if I hurt anybody. I do not
>>>> >> > > promise
>>>> >> > > responding on this as I am very busy these days - so I send my
>>>> >> > > best
>>>> >> > > wishes to everybody, with undying hopes and encouraging regards,
>>>> >> > > Shadab Husain
>>>> >> > >
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