[AI] Guidelines for exams

sriram kalyanaraman sriram_tkr at yahoo.co.in
Thu Feb 14 00:28:47 EST 2008

  I have been lucky to have good scribes throughout my exams. My scribes were from the Readers Association of Chennai or close friends and relatives. Most of the time, extra time was given.
  Hope this helps.
  K. Sriram   banakar <pradeep_banakar at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
  Hello Kanchan, I also face same problem week before when I wrote entrance 
exam for PGD in HR conducted by IGNU. It was solved after negotiation with 
regional director for IGNU Bangalore. his argument is he has not received 
any communication from Delhi IGNO. Scribe background, class and percentage 
were also questioned even though she is from computer background.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guidelines for exams

> Hello Kanchan,
> A new problem has cropped up. Recently a vh candidate was refused scribe 
> by
> the Northern Regional Office of the West Bengal School Service Commission
> because there was no reserved seat in the examination though vh candidates
> were allowed in this examination with scribe in other regions. The vh
> candidate appeared at the reserved seat for the SC. The Office considered
> scribe as an extra facility. It should be categorically mentioned that
> whenever a vh candidate requires scribe, he should be allowed it whether
> there is reservation or not. The same rule should apply in considering the
> question of extra time. Using a scribe cannot be considered an advantage.
> Best regards,
> Amiyo.
> Cell: +91-9433464329
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pamnani" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Guidelines for exams
>> 1. DeenaNath
>> Thank you for your detailed mail. Please may I use it as a part of the
>> compilation that will be handed over to the Ministry next week?
>> In any event I will be using some of its contents for the final draft 
>> from
>> our side.
>> 2. As far as the Draft Policy is concerned I had circulated a draft on
> 29th
>> November on accessindia. Many of you had made suggestions. At that time I
>> had been able to make some changes but could not complete the job so I 
>> had
>> submitted the draft but told the Disability Commission that I needed to
>> amend my own draft.
>> 3. Subsequently SBI and RBI had made their comments and filed their
>> objections.
>> 4. Now the scope has been increased to include other disabilities.
>> 5. I am working on the final draft and will try to post the Policy today
> or
>> latest tomorrow on accessindia. Therefore I am not sending the old draft
> as
>> some of you have requested.
>> 6. Will need urgent comments to enable me to file the final document from
>> our side and hopefully the final decision to be taken on 19th Feb.
>> 7. If anybody has any letters from Examining Authorities or any
>> correspondence showing the problem or any leniency given and does not 
>> mind
>> sharing it then please let me know. Scan and send dont OCR or edit.
>> Kanchan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "deena nath" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 20:45
>> Subject: [AI] Guidelines for exams
>> To respond to the request from Ms. Kanchan Pamnani in 'Access India' on 8
>> Feb 2008, I would like to submit as follows:
>> A totally sightless person myself, I have been working for Punjab
> National
>> Bank for 22 years or so. I along with my other fellow visually disabled
>> employees in the Bank had been facing until 2006, a common problem at the
>> Examination Centre whenever each of us appeared for the Promotion Test.
>> These problems included:
>> Nowhere on the Notice Board at the Examination Centre were our Roll
>> numbers ever written/displayed, thus, keeping us in a chaotic and 
>> confused
>> situation that simply forced us to do nothing but stand and wait for
> someone
>> to tell us which room had been arranged or where to go and report.
>> Though the number, the names and the chosen medium of writing papers of
>> the visually disabled candidates appearing for the Test had been well
> known
>> to the Bank in advance, the arrangement of the room and the availability
> of
>> the scribe had been made at random in a shabby/perfunctory manner, just
> 5-10
>> minutes before the paper would start. While our sighted counter-parts
> well
>> began writing their answers, we only start filling up our personal
> relevant
>> details in the answer sheet.
>> Most of the time, we landed up getting a scribe inconsistent with the
>> requirements coupled with late sitting, late supply of the Information
>> Booklet, late distribution of answer sheet and non-availability of
>> knowledgeable/responsible person at the relevant time for clarifications
> in
>> case of need, simply delayed, disrupted and slowed down the process of
>> filling up the applicable personal details and that of commencement, pace
>> and completion of writing the Test itself.
>> A great deal of time, that way, went already wasted/lost by the time we
>> settled down for writing our papers.
>> No time could we ever get for necessary familiarity and interaction 
>> with
>> and, understanding of the scribe in terms of genuine expectations and
>> requirements, say, his/her medium, fluency, adequate knowledge of what to
>> tick where, etc.
>> Frustratingly, English medium candidate got Hindi medium scribe and the
>> Hindi medium candidate got English medium scribe.
>> Also, we were seated in the hurriedly arranged room mostly not
>> orderly -making some of us seated at the entrance of the room, too noisy
>> particularly during extra hour, no fan, no generator back up, Late
>> distribution of question paper and answer sheets, The responsible person
>> coming and going, not timely guiding what to fill etc.
>> Personally speaking, for reasons yet to be ascertained, the scribe
>> assistance provided to me in the August 13 2006 was a mere formality and
>> mockery of the arrangement. The scribe of the quality and standard as
> made
>> available to me, was so bad and inadequate that profoundly disadvantaged
> me
>> and terribly interfered with my ability to comprehend and attempt the
> entire
>> question paper for reasons of his weaknesses and inadequacies (inability
> to
>> speak and read even common/simple English words like: "mention" and
>> sentences in the question papers clearly, correctly, coherently and
>> intelligibly). I doubt whether I would have gone through even 40
> questions.
>> I would have certainly gone much faster and attempted many more questions
>> had I been provided a scribe of medium of my choice who could speak and
> read
>> the questions fluently, clearly, correctly coherently and intelligibly.
> The
>> question had to be repeated again and again, owing to my inability to
> follow
>> him. I had to simply
>> guess and sense what word it could be. As a result of that, I lost much
> of
>> my time in guessing the possibility of the words and phrases
>> misread/misspoken rather than finding out the correct answer.
>> Attention of the Bank Authorities was drawn to the occurrences and
>> irregularities and, when they ignored my submissions, the matter was
>> referred to the Office of Commission for Persons with Disabilities
> whereupon
>> the Bank responded as follows:
>> ". The scribe was provided to him through the Chief Test Administrator
> as
>> per Head Office guidelines. However his concern about the conduct of the
>> exam has been noted and next time better arrangement shall be made for
>> candidates including blind candidates."
>> The issue dragged on for a year with prolonged silence on the part of
> the
>> Bank. Much of the happenings as narrated to them pertaining to the
>> infrastructure and arrangements were tacitly acknowledged though the
>> question of providing a quality and standard scribe was put on the back
>> burner with no clear-cut commitment. For the time being, the matters
> stands
>> resolved with assurance from the Bank that my suggestions have been noted
>> for consideration. I had submitted to the Commission as follows:
>> Our Roll numbers and the room(s) should be displayed on the Notice 
>> Board
>> at the Centre as is always done in case of the sighted candidates. This
>> will save everyone's time, help us to reach the allotted room and take 
>> our
>> respective seats well in time and allow us a little time to check 
>> anything
>> going/gone wrong, report the same to the concerned and seek remedy
> thereof.
>> The scribe(s) should report for his/her duties half-an-hour before the
>> paper to start in the room arranged for us so that we could get in touch
>> with the named scribe, confirm all the applicable aspects, seek 
>> correction
>> if needed and, begin our business well in time if everything is fine.
>> A separate and exclusive invigilator/supervisor should be provided for
> our
>> room with additional responsibility to ensure timely supply of relevant
> men
>> and materials, timely commencement of the process corrections and
>> clarifications in case of need.
>> The most sticky and contentious issue is that of a Quality and standard
>> scribe. The purpose of a scribe assistance/facility is to get informed 
>> of
>> all the visual aspects and getting the same handled properly and timely,
>> getting all the instructions, questions and the choices read fluently,
>> quickly, correctly, clearly and coherently enough in the chosen
>> medium/language of the candidate to enable him/her to understand, choose
> and
>> act upon the right choices as well as to move fast enough without
>> unnecessary/avoidable obstructions. It seems, the Bank simply picks up 
>> on
>> predetermined quantum of payment basis, the number of persons equal to
> that
>> of the appearing visually disabled candidates to act as their scribe from
>> the same school where it holds the examination, without ever applying any
>> mind as to the essential attributes and aptitude of the scribe -medium,
>> fluency, clarity, understanding of what to fill up, where and in which
>> technical terms and manner. Who gets which
>> scribe and of which medium at the Examination Centre, is purely a matter
> of
>> chance and coincidence.
>> If the bank cannot make proper selection of the scribe, it should leave
> to
>> the appearing candidates themselves to arrange one with full approval of
> the
>> same by the Bank. The Bank can check all the credentials and
> qualifications
>> of the scribe arranged by the appearing candidate.
>> If the Bank insists upon the Bank's-Provided-Scribe-System, it can do 
>> so
>> providing for as follows:
>> The name and the medium of the scribe of each candidate should be made
>> known to the appearing candidate in advance preferably, at the same time
> as
>> the Information regarding Roll number and the Centre is supplied so as to
>> enable him/her to take up the matter with the Office/Officer concerned in
>> event of any error(s) or inconsistencies (Name and the medium not
> mentioned
>> or the medium of the mentioned scribe different from the appearing
>> candidate's stated one. It need not inform of his/her other identities,
>> say, School/college, residence, telephone number and the like. Such a
>> provision will help us to immediately look for our respective scribes.
> This
>> will help to remedy any situation arising out of mismatch, say, the
> scribes
>> getting inadvertently/erroneously interchanged and so on.
>> It should be ensured that the scribe arranged by the Bank is
>> candidate-stated-medium-specific, generally and reasonably fast, fluent,
>> clear and conversant with all the visual parts/technical aspects of the
>> paper -where to fill up which detail, where and in which
> technical/artistic
>> fashion, whom to contact for clarification in case of confusion, in how
> much
>> low/loud voice to read/speak, etc.
>> Even with these suggested inclusions, ultimately and fundamentally, the
>> Arrangement in question remains the same. We cannot be sure and certain
> of
>> sincerity, competence, obedience and faithfulness of such a scribe as
> picked
>> up at random whose identity, credentials and characteristics
> (qualification,
>> general patience, fluency, manner of speaking, communicativeness,
>> attentiveness, responsiveness and understanding/familiarity with the
>> relevant requirements of the task) are neither known nor knowable.
> Since
>> it is the Bank that invites, accepts and pays him/her, he/she is likely 
>> to
>> go by any advice, act in any prescribed manner and play on any tune 
>> called
>> for by the Bank.
>> If nothing else, this will give us in course of the Test and thereafter,
> at
>> least, an immediate psychological feeling that there are/were no
>> forced/imposed obvious unnecessary hurdles though
>> failing or passing any Test will be ultimately, in the hands of the 
>> Bank.
>> One of the reasons why the Bank seems to have been reluctant/resistant
> to
>> the idea of candidate-arranged-scribe is the Bank's perception and
> suspicion
>> that the so-arranged scribe may be better than and superior to, or, of 
>> the
>> same standard as that of the candidate, hence, he/she would solve much of
>> the paper on his/her own. It may happen only if the self arranged scribe
> is
>> a close relative/friend of the candidate, competing for the same or
> similar
>> goal at the same time with the same intensity of endeavours as the
> candidate
>> concerned. That is quite unlikely and can be easily checked.
>> In theory and principle, I agree and advocate that the scribe should 
>> not
>> be a banker or in qualification, equal to or, higher than the appearing
>> candidate. However, such a view makes sense only in case where the
>> candidate in need of scribe is appearing for a particular paper/subject.
> It
>> does not hold much good in case of appearing for a general competition.
> The
>> concept and the principle of the scribe to be less qualified than the
>> requirements of the post in general for which, the visually disable
> employee
>> appears, is flawed and capable of causing serious hurdles to the
> candidates.
>> With regards,
>> Deena Nath,
>> Mob: 9868076288 9891873466
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