[AI] Writing style

Abbo Usef wael_syntax at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 13 04:21:02 EST 2008


here is a link about the abuse of the internet to our
natural languages,
proving the negativeness of the internet on our main
tongues, as well as our acquired language(s).
read on:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/lingua-franca.html

--- Amit Bhatt <misterbhatt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Ketan,
> Nobody would like to differ with the thought that
> one must always try to
> improve his language skills and I Am happy to know
> that you want let others
> to enhance their abilities and skills but see, from
> psychological point of
> view, I seriously doubt whether everyone will be
> that much of mentally
> strong enough to be advised in front of over 400
> members. Specially when we
> write like: "If you expect to become voice and
> accent trainer and this is
> the language you use then ... God may help you.  The
> spelling and grammar
> errors in the mails are just shocking."
> My only concern is that why we need to give our
> comment with such statements
> between the public while we endeavor to make someone
> correct.
> And then I Am also not sure whether use of words
> like "great shame" will
> encourage and help someone   enriching  his skills.
> Giving the right direction is indeed in our favor
> but making such statement
> in public seems to me like surplus to the
> requirements.
> "Appreciate in public and criticize in private." I
> think this principal
> should be followed when we want a person to work
> towards improvisation of
> any skill.
> Moreover, this is not a language development forum.
> I never ever said that
> enhancement of our skills is not required but I just
> wanted to convey the
> right way to make someone understand on  the group
> of the people.
>  Please do not take me otherwise. These are my own
> views and thoughts  and
> have no intention to go against you or anyone else.
> Thanks,
> 
> Amit Bhatt
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ketan Kothari" <muktaketan at gmail.com>
> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
> 
> 
> > I am distressed to write again.  I feel that we
> have decided to be the
> > second best at all times.  My humble submission is
> that we must aim at
> being
> > the best as far as possible.  In fact, only
> because we are not native
> > speakers of English we need to take special care. 
> Also, when we claim to
> > have acquired formal education upto a certain
> level a definitive standard
> is
> > expected of us.
> >
> > If all this sounds discouraging, then God save us.
>  We do not deserve to
> get
> > any better reception in society than we get
> presently.  In fact, we must
> > always aim higher.  I am not at all talking all
> this from a pedestal but
> > would be really ashamed if I am not able to
> maintain a certain standard of
> > language capabilities after a certain level of
> education.  Let us not be
> > apologetic of our mistakes but learn whenever we
> can and from wherever we
> > can.  I think the list is for healthy discussion
> in a way that is
> > comfortable and comprehensible.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt at gmail.com>
> > To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
> >
> >
> > > Only good written and spoken language is not
> quite enough to prove that
> > > you
> > > are a gentleman or a person with good
> understanding. If we talk about
> > > mistakes, then why to focus on language only,
> why not to take other part
> > > of
> > > our mistakes. I simply mean, are we not
> committing any mistake by
> > > discussing
> > > this off topic on the list? You rightly said: We
> are not English
> teachers
> > > and I would also like to add in favor of your
> statement that even taking
> > > such language classes are  perhaps not allowed
> here!
> > > I think improving language skills is secondary
> matter but concentrating
> > > towards betterment of attitude and civilization
> on priority bases is
> most
> > > necessary for some of our members. Secondly, I
> too didn't like the way
> of
> > > some people of providing solution to other in a
> most discouraging
> > > expression. One is need to be very careful and
> encouraging while making
> > > other understand. Encouraging other for their
> good is a moral duty of
> > > every
> > > human being but the way should not be that
> insulting.
> > > If we are really serious in making other people
> fine in every aspect,
> then
> > > we don't need to let other feel shy or
> humiliated, we need to let them
> > > feel
> > > comfortable and confident.
> > > We have started discussing this matter like nun
> of us had any relevant
> > > subject to discuss here! I think Mr. Gobind or
> any member could be
> > > suggested
> > > at his personal ID with some better way.
> > > Dear Gobind, You don't need to be apologized,
> there is nothing that you
> > > feel sorry for any mistake. We all are here to
> learn and provide the
> right
> > > solution. No one is deputed here to observe the
> language mistakes. If we
> > > understand the problem or matter by his or her
> expression, we are simply
> > > expected to respond just that query in spite of
> making an issue. A
> person
> > > can learn well in a friendly and good
> environment. So friends, please
> > > teach
> > > and let other have an opportunity to learn
> English or whatever but first
> > > create an atmosphere in order to fulfill the
> aims.
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Amit Bhatt
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan"
> <vadhimoolam at gmail.com>
> > > To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
> > >
> > >
> > >> I think that Improvisation should be the goal
> for us in terms of our
> > >> language skills. However one should bear in
> mind that none of us are
> > >> native English speakers and henceforth we
> should be very careful
> > >> wwhile evaluating others and after all, we are
> not English teachers
> > >> here on the list and I am a bit unhappy about
> the big brother
> > >> attitude. I am also a bit dessatisfied in such
> comments about other's
> > >> poor communicative skills. Having said that I
> leave any further
> > >> comment on this topic to the moderators. But
> just a word before I
> > >> sign-off on this topic and it goes out to those
> with poor
> > >> communicative skills. Hey guise, you have
> nothing to loose. If I would
> > >> have taken such dominating attitude seriously,
> then I would not have
> > >> been where I am today. Therefore you have
> nothing to loose but to gain
> > >> your self confidence.
> > >>
> > >> Vetri.
> > >>
> > >> On 09/02/2008, Abdul Razique
> <1988.abdul at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I totally agree with Shadab bhai.
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Shadab Husain" <shadabhsn at gmail.com>
> > >> > To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:35 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Writing style is something which cannot be
> changed as it reflects
> our
> > >> > > nature - so I presume the subject for this
> discussion should be
> "Mind
> > >> > > your language" or if this sounds offensive
> then "Check your
> language"
> > >> > > to begin with.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Well, I would say that there is no need
> telling others to write
> > >> > > correct grammar here because the chief
> motive of this list is to
> > >> > > solve
> > >> > > the problems of blinds and not to promote
> good language skills -
> > >> > > however, to my amazement, I have seen folks
> joining with poor
> > >> > > language
> > >> > > and soon bringing a remarkable refinement
> in their language by
> > >> > > reading
> > >> > > and writing here. Would it not be hobbling
> for them if we
> discourage
> > >> > > them from the very outset by such
> insensitive comments? Tell me.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It is plain common sense that nobody will
> make a dork of himself by
> > >> > > intentionally making a blunder before such
> a great number of
> members.
> > >> > > We should not send out such discouraging
> comments because they
> might
> > >> > > suppress many bright futures beneath
> bashfulness.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I will simply add logic prevails and this
> Mr Subramani would be
> well
> > >> > > knowing as he would have edited many great
> thinkers with poor
> > >> > > language. So there is no need caring a gory
> toss for English
> grammar
> > >> > > here. Cracking such books and quickly
> dashing it off has always
> been
> > >> > > a
> > >> > > damn fun for me - try, you might enjoy it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Dear Govind,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Congratulations. I presume in future your
> best selling point will
> be
> > >> > > your courage of frankly expressing
> yourself. Get on with the life -
> > >> > > it
> > >> > > has a habit of welcoming the encouraged
> ones.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Friends, I was not writing on this topic -
> but I did want to
> > >> > > encourage
> > >> > > the members who do not have a good English
> background like me and
> > >> > > therefore might refrain from posting on the
> list. This was the only
> > >> > > reason why I was bound - pardon me if I
> hurt anybody. I do not
> > >> > > promise
> > >> > > responding on this as I am very busy these
> days - so I send my best
> > >> > > wishes to everybody, with undying hopes and
> encouraging regards,
> > >> > > Shadab Husain
> > >> > >
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