[AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...

pamnani kanchanpamnani at hotmail.com
Sun Jul 15 09:47:34 EDT 2007


Just one question Hari when did your colleague know that his contract was
being renewed? Was he informed a few hours in advance or did he know atleast
a week earlier that his contract was being renewed.
Kanchan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hari Raghavan" <hari.raghavan at yahoo.co.in>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 09:13
Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...


> Hi List,
>
> Firstly folks I am sorry to reply on this topic so late but I am running a
> couple of weeks late in checking my  personal mails.  I felt it imperative
> to give a perspective on this discussion.
>
> This concept of contract employees is fast gaining ground across corporate
> India and has been pioneered by the American MNCs. I have worked in two
> such
> large MNCs General Electric and now IBM. Contract employment is usually
> given to non post graduates and for jobs where the skill requirement is
> relatively low. As contract employees do not figure in the head count,
> this
> is one way to keep the figures low and as they do not get some of the
> benefits of regular employees, it aalso keeps employee costs down. The
> best
> part for these corporations is that you do not have to devise a growth
> path
> or worry about the employees career development if they are on contract.
>
> Now to give you the other side of the story - I have had several contract
> employees as well as regular staff report in to me and it is my experience
> that contract employees usually work harder and are more dedicated than
> regular staff who usually take their job for granted. As they do the real
> "work", our department would come to  a complete standstill if they were
> absent. I can't say the same about my regular employees / managerial
> staff.
> And it used to hurt when these same hard working employees could not join
> us
> for our office parties or offsites which were exclusively for regular
> employees.
>
> While I  do understand the agony of not being able to grow to one's
> potential, I believe it is a product of the way the contract system works
> more than a result of discrimination. I share my cubicle in IBM with a guy
> from logistics who works extremely hard from 10 am to 9pm and works on
> saturdays too. This guy was on contract from 2001 till last year when he
> got
> regularised, i.e. 6 years to get on the company rolls despite sterling
> efforts.
>
> Finally, I believe that as more and more of us get employed in this
> country,
> any discriminatory attitudes will change. Till such a time, let's keep OUR
> attitude positive and keep at it.
>
> Warm regards,
> Hari
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Harish
> Kotian
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:38 PM
> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Employment opportunities for the PWD in the IT enabled services is a
> rescent
> phenomena.
>
> It takes some time for the industry to feel comfortable.  Those now in
> this
> space are the ambassadors for future growth in this area. As it often
> happens, the genie pigs have to take a larger share of traumma.
>
> When we view in a larger canvass, every growth phase starts with expansion
> and later it moves towards consolidation. Presently we are in the nascent
> stage.
>
> The consolidation stage will take place when we come to a critical mass.
>
> I can surely empathise with those effected who would consider  this  all
> as
> pep talk.
>
> These words certainly leads to no solution but would be calling to seek
> more
> patience which I can understand is fast running out.
>
> Towards reaching some solution, I can suggest we have some dialogue like a
> seminar on employment of the PWD, we call most of the employers who are
> indulging in  some what discriminatory practices and confront them with a
> cross section of our folks who would put the realities in the right
> perspective.
>
> I don't know how effective this would turn up, but a suggestion to
> consider.
>
> Harish.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Subramani L" <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in>
> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>
>
>> Dear Sudhir:
>>
>> Your second suggestion (i.e.) the blog to counter politically correct
>> reports, is a good one. However, to what extent the disabled can look up
>> to government for employment is unknown.
>>
>> For a start, one account in Karnataka says around 380 jobs in Karnataka
>> alone (reserved for the disabled) are not filled from 1971. I have also
>> learnt recently that the disability welfare department in the state has
>> no idea as to how many vacancies are there in all the state government
>> department for persons with disability. Above all, the special
>> employment agencies are simply sleeping over the registrations and don't
>> inform the PWD's registered with them about the vacancies. So, how do
>> you think we can move these immovable and even dead elephants?
>>
>> Subramani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sudhir R
>> (NeSTIT)
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:49 AM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>
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>> Dear Subramony,
>>
>> Yes, the attempt should be to find a solution and methinks highlighting
>> this invisible problem is itself part of the solution.  The youngsters
>> who have read these exchanges are at least now aware that the corporate
>> sector adopts two employment models, contractual and regular and often
>> discriminates against the disabled, even while proclaiming from
>> roof-tops about their noble missions.  This awareness itself should
>> equip them to scrutinise the job offers that are handed to them, read
>> between the lines and possibly not to close their minds against the
>> government sector jobs altogether.
>>
>> Legally, there may be little that we can do, without jeopardising the
>> future of our own folks.  May be, we can do more discreet investigations
>> to determine the extent of rot and perhaps start a blog to counter the
>> politically correct reports coming forth in the mainstream media.
>>
>> More suggestions are welcome from  the mature and experienced members.
>> Remember, this is a classic case of discrimination as was the raw
>> treatment meted out to some of our members by certain private airlines,
>> banking institutions etc, but, the sound and fury of the debates at such
>> instances seem to be missing this time because the sufferers are silent
>> about it.
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> RS
>> M: 98 472 76 126
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Subramani L
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:24 AM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>
>>
>> In effect, what you are trying to say is while we can say ok to
>> contracts, we can't say yes to deferred promotions and lack of
>> recognition of performance and so on. But how do we confront this? As
>> Rajesh had said we can't legally prove discrimination of this sort, as
>> we have sighned up to the contract (which means we are agreeing to the
>> terms). Also, how do we distinguish those employers who are creating the
>> impression that they have an inclusive policy, while actually
>> discriminating in rewarding performances, from those who are genuinely
>> inclusive? The purpose of this should be tyo find solutions, rather than
>> just exchanging ideas.
>>
>> Subramani
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sudhir R
>> (NeSTIT)
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:23 AM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>
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>> Dear Harish,
>>
>> I am not disputing the contract employment system, the retrenchment
>> possibility even while in regular employment, the attraction of the IT
>> sector or the hard bargain a good professional can drive with a
>> prospective employer.
>>
>> I am merely bothered by the singular way IT majors seem to apply this
>> practice to their disabled employees.  Parimala's is not an isolated
>> case, believe me.  Other sufferers are also there on our group and I  am
>> sure, lots of persons with other disabilities are also discriminated
>> against similarly.
>>
>> In fact, I know of one instance where a high profile CEO of a IT company
>> waxed eloquent about opening the doors of his company to the visually
>> challenged a few years back, hired a few trainees while he was holding
>> an important position in Nasscom and quietly packed them off after he
>> faded from the limelight.  I have no complaints against him if the
>> contract termination was due to the non-performance of the resources.
>> But, knowing the corporate penchant for hogging media, it is very
>> possible that the entire episode was an orchestrated one, the poor
>> visually challenged resources being the sacrificial goats in the
>> process.
>>
>> What amazes me is how the very companies that practise this
>> discrimination towards the disabled, still hog the limelight in the
>> media as equal opportunity employers of PWDs.  Their advertising budget
>> ensures that the mainstream media toes their line without any trace of
>> the investigative journalism or sting operations that seem to be
>> reserved only for politicians and bureaucrats.  Wish I had got this
>> information on the day rediff.com carried the article on IT companies
>> opening their doors to the visually challenged which I had naively and
>> enthusiastically posted in AI a few weeks back.  I could have at least
>> written a few nasty comments on the  true state of affairs and the
>> readers might have got a more balanced view of the issue. (smile)
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> RS
>> M: 98 472 76 126
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Harish
>> Kotian
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:48 PM
>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>
>>
>> Hi Sudhir
>>
>> Even in public sectors, they are going for contract jobs. Even if one
>> gets a
>> regular employent, anyone can  be easily retrenched.
>>
>> All said and done, for a fresher private sector is a great learning
>> place.
>>
>> Good hands are in much demand in the IT space and one can leveridge it
>> in a
>> period of time to ones advantage.
>>
>> Harish.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sudhir R (NeSTIT)" <sudhir.r at nestgroup.net>
>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>
>>
>>> Dear Harish bhai,
>>>
>>> I fully agree with you that contract employment could act as the thin
>> edge
>>> of the wedge to induce companies to consider employing the differently
>>
>>> abled employees.  And, uncertainties do bring out the best from us
>> too.
>>>
>>> But, the fact remains that the best trapeze artists and movie stuntmen
>>
>>> perform with a safety net to catch them should anything go wrong.
>> (smile)
>>> I am afraid I can't effectively articulate the gnawing fears and
>>> trepidations of a disabled resource working in a IT company who gets
>> his
>>> contract renewed often only on the last day and perhaps only for a
>> further
>>> period of six months.  I was hoping some of these silent sufferers to
>>> speak out, but, obviously they might be feeling embarrassed or
>> insecure
>>> and I fully empathise with their unenviable situation.
>>>
>>> Being a banking professional, you will agree with me that life
>> requires
>>> one to plan ahead for security of our own selves and that of our
>> family,
>>> like buying a home, making investments for retirement etc.  In the
>> absence
>>> of a working social security mechanism in India, the best bet for a
>>> disabled person is still a steady job which guarantees a steady stream
>> of
>>> predictable revenues.  From this point of view, contract employment,
>>> highly favoured by the hard core professionals who can dictate their
>>> terms, is not the best of news for our young friends.
>>>
>>> This is what I wanted to highlight through my mail, since I know (and
>> I
>>> myself have been recommending) many bright youngsters have been
>> looking
>>> away from the staid government sector job markets to these glamourous
>>> sunrise sectors.  All that glitters, as is often in real life, is not
>>> obviously gold. (smile)
>>>
>>> Rgds
>>>
>>> RS
>>> M: 098 472 76 126
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Harish
>>> Kotian
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:02 AM
>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sudhir
>>>
>>> You have raised a very interesting topic for introspection.
>>>
>>> In my personal view, contract work is a sort of blessing in disguise.
>>>
>>> 1 The employers are apprehensive about the capabilities of the blind.
>> This
>>> gives us a window to make an entry and gives us an opportunity to
>> prove
>>> ourselves.
>>>
>>> 2 Due to the uncertainties involved it forces one to get the best out
>> of
>>> us.
>>>
>>> However, uncertainty is not desirable in a long run to maintain
>> healthy
>>> relationship.
>>>
>>> This can be nicely put to the folks in the HR dept who have
>> specialists
>>> out
>>> there to understand it better.
>>>
>>> Intervention of NGO's or help from HR consultuncy firms can also help
>> in
>>> getting the message across.
>>>
>>> Once having gained experience and having sharpened skill sets one is
>> in a
>>> better position to find jobs elsewhere. Now, one is in a better
>> position
>>> to
>>> clinch a deal to ones terms.
>>>
>>> I personally feel it is better to grow in an organisation than keep
>>> changing
>>> jobs frequently.
>>>
>>> It helps mutually.
>>> Harish.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sudhir R (NeSTIT)" <sudhir.r at nestgroup.net>
>>> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Subramony,
>>>>
>>>> I can understand hard core professionals opting for contract-based
>>>> employment that allows them to be loose-coupled to the employer.
>> But,
>>>> this  is a voluntary decision and most often than not, the terms of
>> the
>>>> contract are thrashed out after mutual discussions.
>>>>
>>>> The cases I referred to in my original mail pertains to trainees, not
>>>> professionals.  I am quite sure they would prefer regular jobs, if
>> given
>>>> a
>>>> choice, since their professional skill-sets are not well-developed.
>> And,
>>>> what are thrust upon these hapless youngsters are unilateral
>> contracts,
>>>> not ones discussed thread-bare.
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, the matter of discrimination comes up when just the
>>>> disabled candidates have to put up with such 'modern' practices.
>> Those
>>>> able-bodied who join along with them or after them are taken on
>> rolls.
>>>> Now, do you smell something fishy ?
>>>>
>>>> Rgds
>>>>
>>>> RS
>>>> M: 98 472 76 126
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Subramani
>> L
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:36 AM
>>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sudhir:
>>>>
>>>> I am not too conversant with the legalese of contract employment, but
>> it
>>>> is certainly becoming the trend. Why IT, even the media industry is
>> fast
>>>> adapting these practices. And, several journalists (both in print and
>>>> broadcast), who are able bodied, prefer contract not only because
>> they
>>>> are paid higher, but also because it is much easier to leave when
>> they
>>>> no longer inclined to work.
>>>>
>>>> As far as my knowledge goes, contract employment isn't exclusively
>>>> offered to the blind or disabled. On the contrary, even the so-called
>>>> able-bodied persons have to accede to demands of employers that they
>>>> will be taken as contract employees. Also, contracts in the
>> traditional
>>>> sense is different from what we are referring here as contracts. Why
>>>> contracts, I know IT employees (who are able-bodied) who are asked to
>>>> sign a bond that stops them from leaving the company for two or three
>>>> years. In my opinion, that is more discriminatory than contracts.
>>>>
>>>> Let's not forget that we live in a knowledge economy, where
>>>> opportunities are increasing with corresponding risks. So, in this
>>>> environment, how far we can expect traditional employment terms to be
>>>> applied remains a doubt. Perhaps, Rajesh or Kanchan can answer this
>> from
>>>> a legal perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Subramani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
>>>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sudhir R
>>>> (NeSTIT)
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:13 AM
>>>> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
>>>> Subject: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>>>
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>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>
>>>> We have all been enthused in recent months by the continuous stream
>> of
>>>> 'heart-warming' news reports from the booming IT and ITES sectors of
>>>> India opening their doors to the visually challenged.  But, closer
>>>> observation of the facts on the ground reveal certain trends that are
>>>> disquieting and disillusioning and though not politically correct, I
>>>> thought I must bring these to the kind attention of Access Indians.
>>>>
>>>> a) It seems many of those who have been recruited have been taken in
>> as
>>>> contract employees and remain so for years together.  The professed
>>>> excuse bandied by the companies is that they want to keep the actual
>>>> employee count low.  This excuse would have held water had not the
>>>> companies gladly confirmed the non-disabled staff members who were
>>>> recruited along with or much later than their disabled counterparts.
>> I
>>>> can understand a company extending an employee's probation if he does
>>>> not measure up, but, extending contracts umpteen number of times seem
>> to
>>>> take on sinister tones.
>>>>
>>>> b) Simultaneously, I think these unfortunate disabled candidates also
>>>> suffer  discriminatory treatment vis-a-vis their non-disabled peers
>> in
>>>> terms of compensation and benefit, seniority etc due to the long
>> years
>>>> they spend as contract employees.
>>>>
>>>> c)  It may be fashionable to  explain this phenomenon as a modern
>> trend
>>>> in employment thanks to globalisation, but, when it applies only to
>> one
>>>> segment of (disadvantaged) employees, I prefer to call it high-handed
>>>> discrimination.  India does not have a social security mechanism in
>>>> place and the best bet for any disabled resource is still the
>> security
>>>> of a regular job.  Unfortunately, the current practice seems to be
>>>> denying this precise safety net to the disabled.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure how many of Access Indians working in the IT / ITES
>> sector
>>>> are currently suffering this discrimination silently, hoping to be
>>>> confirmed in the years to come.  But, anecdotal evidence has shown me
>>>> that many of the so-called 'equal opportunity employers' who hog
>> media
>>>> limelight with their 'diversity enrichment' programmes are major
>>>> culprits of this shameful practice.  May be, a few of the silent
>>>> sufferers should speak out for the sake of other starry-eyed
>> youngsters
>>>> who have been building castles in thin air after reading all these
>> media
>>>> reports.
>>>>
>>>> Simultaneously, can legal eagles like Kanchan and Rajesh educate us
>>>> about the current Indian laws applicable to the rights of contract
>>>> employees ?  I am sure it is mandatory for a company to confirm an
>>>> employee after a particular period of being a contract employee.  How
>>>> does one go about enforcing such laws and how risky would such a
>>>> procedure be ?
>>>>
>>>> And, Subramony, can you smell a journalistic scoop in this issue ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been an avid votary of the IT and ITES sector as  possible
>>>> sources of fullfilling and well-paying careers for the visually
>>>> challenged and have even been discouraging the local youngsters from
>>>> looking at the unglamourous Government sector, but, I should admit
>> this
>>>> revelation has forced me to revise my recommendations.  In fact, I
>> have
>>>> started wondering whether this phenomenon is restricted merely to the
>> IT
>>>> / ITES sector or a characteristic of the entire private sector.  I
>> know
>>>> of at least one case in Kerala where a manufacturing company has been
>>>> employing a visually challenged youngster for almost 9 years as a
>>>> contract employee at half the salary he would have been entitled for
>> in
>>>> regular service.
>>>>
>>>> Please share your individual views, suggestions and experiences in
>> this
>>>> matter.  Skeletons have remained in the corporate cupboards for too
>>>> long, methinks...
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> R Sudhir
>>>> M: 098 472 76 126
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