[AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...

Subramani L lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in
Sun Jul 1 04:57:59 EDT 2007


Very sensible piece of advice. Yes, discrimination is wrong, but getting
promotion even for physically able people is at times very difficult.
Working hard is all someone can do.

Subramani 

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Parimala,
This advice is supplemental to what others have discussed and suggested
in 
this group.
1. Start checking the functions of a person who is 1 Level and  2 levels

senior than you in the hierarchy. Start figuring out how  you can do
these 
jobs if they were entrusted to you. Do it discreetly. Speak with seniors

generally and learn as much as you can and try to take every opportunity
to 
increase your knowledge both formally and informally. you must know 
everything about your possible jobs before you go into the review
meeting. 
Lets be honest you will have to beg for a promotion , you will have to 
cajole, you will have to show your knowledge and you will have to out
talk 
your management. this is the only strategy that works. As a disabled 
employee you have to work 10 times harder than any other employee please

dont forget this. All those who have succeeded have done so. Sorry 100%
is 
not enough you will have to give 1000%. I am sorry that you will have to

suffer, be on your guard and also you will have to deal with
frustration. 
the world is a very cruel place for competitors however the option is 
charity.
2. You have just been with the company for one and half years - have 
patience. Don't try and fly. all the people who are replying to this
thread 
are much older than you and have more than 10 years of experience.
3. If IBM does not allow you to do a course then do it outside but do it
for 
sure. Here again you will have to make time for these extras. You will
have 
to get up early, sleep late and cut on other things in life if you want
to 
go ahead. We have all done so and we continue to do so.

thank god you are not being discriminated on the remuneration atleast.
Thats 
one major issue. Sudhir may note this please while discussing with
people 
who are starting their careers.
there are many other things that we can discuss but lets implement the
few 
that I have suggested. I promise there will be a change for the better
and 
higher for you.
Kanchan
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From: "parimala shinde" <parimalashinde at yahoo.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:07
Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...


> Kanchan,
>
>  Yes I am treeted on par with my sighted coligues when it comes to my
pay 
> scale.
>
>  I can say so because I have verified it.
>
>  When I brought out the growth factor as my concern, I meant I am not 
> allowed to move to a higher position.
>  This is more so because my current people manager feels I can't
handel 
> much responsibilities because I am a disabled.
>
>  The growth factor, and the kind of appraisals, and my regularization 
> largely depends on my manager.
>  What depresses me the most is the fact that I have to undergo such an
ill 
> treatment dispite giving my 100%.
>  What depresses me further is the fact that IBM offers N number of
on-line 
> and off-line courses which the contracters are not elegible to take
up.
>  I shall send you a copy of my offer letter privately.
>  Thanks and regards
>  Parimala
>
>
> pamnani <kanchanpamnani at hotmail.com> wrote:
>  Parimala
> Thank you for your honesty. Since you are the only one speaking out
please
> help me by answering a couple of questions.
> 1. the first question is do you get the same pay as a sighted
colleague 
> who
> had joined IBM at the same time as you?
>
> Please do not compare yourself with non IBM employees and not with 
> employees
> who have not joined at the same time as you.
>
> 2. I do want to see your contract please and this has got to do
nothing 
> with
> your salary. so if possible please send it to me.
>
> 3. As a contract employee less TDS is cut as compared to TDS rates for
a
> salaried employee.
> 4. If you are assessable to Income Tax then it is better to be on
contract
> than on salary.
> 5. if you were asked to compare your current salary with that of a
sighted
> colleague who joined IBM at the same time what would be the
difference?-
> percentage or amount.
> 6. What do you mean by growth. Explain in detail.
> Kanchan
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "parimala shinde"
>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 14:21
> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>
>
>> Hay Kanchan!
>>
>> I am not discriminated when it comes to the pay scale.
>> I must admit that I am drawing a handsome pay when compared to my non
IBM
>> counterparts.
>>
>> The discrimination is in terms of growth and my regularisation.
>>
>> IBM's policies wouldn't permit a non IBM employee to grow, or to ask
for
>> a reward when he or she is performing simply great, and is doing so
on
>> power with his or her regular counterparts .
>>
>> There are a lot of other benifits which a contracter is denied.
>>
>> A hearing impaired friend of myne called Ashvini Kishen too is a
victim
>> of the same process.
>>
>> We can not possibely go for a battle with the IBM HR because of the
>> nature of our employment.
>>
>> I suppose the best option for us is to either move out of IBM, or
look
>> for an internal movement.
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>> Parimala
>>
>> pamnani wrote:
>>
>> Parimala,
>> Are you geting paid less than the sighted people who joined at the
same
>> time?
>> Would you mind emailing me privately your contract- scanned or etext
and 
>> I
>> promise not to share it with anyone.
>> Kanchan
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "parimala shinde"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:15
>> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>>
>>
>> Hay Sudheer!
>>
>> Thanks a million for bringing such a vital topic on to the list to be
>> discussed and debated.
>>
>> In fact, I was more than a 100 times thrilled with the news IT
sectors
>> opening up for the PWD category.
>>
>> But let me tell you the hard realities of being employed in an IT
company
>> as to what it really feels to be getting the kind of treatment meted
out
>> to
>> myself, and a hearing impaired friend of mine called Ashvini Kishen.
>>
>> Things look and sound greener at the top of it. But the hard
realities
>> hear are completely different. I was happy to know that I've cleared
my
>> interview at IBM. I was more than shocked to receive a call from an 
>> agency
>> called Manpower asking me to collect the offer letter.
>>
>> But wait!!! This was not all!!!
>>
>> I was told that my contract was for just 6 months.
>>
>> I had a word with my computer teacher Ms. Shanti Raghavan on the
terms
>> and conditions of the contract to me where I was told that this is a
tool
>> employed by most of the IT Company's to keep the count low.
>>
>> I did accept the offer for the higher remuneration that was offered.
>>
>> I therefore joined IBM on the 30th September 2005, and am still
working 
>> on
>> a contract basis.
>>
>> I've proved myself long time a go, and as many times as I needed to.
>> Some thing more disheartening for Ashvini and myself is that wile our
non
>> disabled juniors have bin promoted and have bin regularized, our 
>> positions
>> have bin the same, of course we are given an appraisal each year.
>> I did negotiate on the contract part with my people manager, but it
seems
>> like all my efforts have gone worthless.
>>
>> I've therefore decided not to break my head against the wall, and to
go
>> for some thing else which is more productive in terms of rewards, and
am
>> willing to put the kind of effort and hard work the job demands out
of 
>> me.
>> And friends trust me, ones you tend to enter this kind of a cobweb,
there
>> is no easy escape out of it.
>>
>> My sincere advice to my friends opting for a career out of the IT
sector
>> is to be very careful in negotiating the terms of the offer before
hand.
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>> Parimala
>>
>>
>> "Sudhir R (NeSTIT)" wrote: Dear friends,
>>
>> We have all been enthused in recent months by the continuous stream
of
>> 'heart-warming' news reports from the booming IT and ITES sectors of 
>> India
>> opening their doors to the visually challenged. But, closer
observation 
>> of
>> the facts on the ground reveal certain trends that are disquieting
and
>> disillusioning and though not politically correct, I thought I must
bring
>> these to the kind attention of Access Indians.
>>
>> a) It seems many of those who have been recruited have been taken in
as
>> contract employees and remain so for years together. The professed
excuse
>> bandied by the companies is that they want to keep the actual
employee
>> count
>> low. This excuse would have held water had not the companies gladly
>> confirmed the non-disabled staff members who were recruited along
with or
>> much later than their disabled counterparts. I can understand a
company
>> extending an employee's probation if he does not measure up, but,
>> extending
>> contracts umpteen number of times seem to take on sinister tones.
>>
>> b) Simultaneously, I think these unfortunate disabled candidates also
>> suffer
>> discriminatory treatment vis-a-vis their non-disabled peers in terms
of
>> compensation and benefit, seniority etc due to the long years they
spend
>> as
>> contract employees.
>>
>> c) It may be fashionable to explain this phenomenon as a modern trend
in
>> employment thanks to globalisation, but, when it applies only to one
>> segment
>> of (disadvantaged) employees, I prefer to call it high-handed
>> discrimination. India does not have a social security mechanism in
place
>> and
>> the best bet for any disabled resource is still the security of a
regular
>> job. Unfortunately, the current practice seems to be denying this
precise
>> safety net to the disabled.
>>
>> I am not sure how many of Access Indians working in the IT / ITES
sector
>> are
>> currently suffering this discrimination silently, hoping to be
confirmed
>> in
>> the years to come. But, anecdotal evidence has shown me that many of
the
>> so-called 'equal opportunity employers' who hog media limelight with 
>> their
>> 'diversity enrichment' programmes are major culprits of this shameful
>> practice. May be, a few of the silent sufferers should speak out for
the
>> sake of other starry-eyed youngsters who have been building castles
in
>> thin
>> air after reading all these media reports.
>>
>> Simultaneously, can legal eagles like Kanchan and Rajesh educate us
about
>> the current Indian laws applicable to the rights of contract
employees ? 
>> I
>> am sure it is mandatory for a company to confirm an employee after a
>> particular period of being a contract employee. How does one go about
>> enforcing such laws and how risky would such a procedure be ?
>>
>> And, Subramony, can you smell a journalistic scoop in this issue ?
>>
>>
>> I have been an avid votary of the IT and ITES sector as possible
sources
>> of
>> fullfilling and well-paying careers for the visually challenged and
have
>> even been discouraging the local youngsters from looking at the
>> unglamourous
>> Government sector, but, I should admit this revelation has forced me
to
>> revise my recommendations. In fact, I have started wondering whether
this
>> phenomenon is restricted merely to the IT / ITES sector or a
>> characteristic
>> of the entire private sector. I know of at least one case in Kerala
where
>> a
>> manufacturing company has been employing a visually challenged
youngster
>> for
>> almost 9 years as a contract employee at half the salary he would
have
>> been
>> entitled for in regular service.
>>
>> Please share your individual views, suggestions and experiences in
this
>> matter. Skeletons have remained in the corporate cupboards for too
long,
>> methinks...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> R Sudhir
>> M: 098 472 76 126
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