[AI] Concession in railways

Subramani L lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in
Thu May 31 03:09:17 CDT 2007


Hai Rajesh:

The idea of rly docs issuing concessions is a very good idea. If you ask
me, the worst and perhaps impenetrable problem is inability to make rly
or any other authorities in this country to accept positive changes.

How do we impress upon the higher echelons of the rly ministry to
understand this idea is good? May be, we need to push the doors together
as a single force and then the rly authority may find the pressure too
much and act on the matter.


Subramani
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Hello Subramani

I do value your as well as others good experiences with railways and
also
realize that almost uniform guidelines are in place for granting
concession
tickets.
However, this does not falsify my original contention about rampant
arbitrariness by rank and file and ignorance on the part of superiors,
as
well as the linkage between recovery from salary of issuing clerk and
issuance of any erroneous concession ticket, howsoever done in good
faith.

Believe me, the railway staff looks upon disabled travelers with
concession
tickets, as a rule, as a ticketless lot at worst, and charity travelers
at
best.
And yes, I maintain that the chief motive for hyper vigilance in issuing
tickets and condescension after issuance emanate from monetary impact a
wrong concession ticket would have on the issuing/checking staff.

If railways has problems with disability certificates issued by various
authorities, it would do a world of good, if it requires this work to be
done by its own doctors who are scattered in every nook and corner of
the
country. this would solve the problem of multiple authorities issuing
railway concession certificates in multiple formats which are accepted
and
refused depending on the whims and fancies of issuing authorities. The
move
may also facilitate online booking, if railways is willing.

But I know, these are merely our outbursts in a forum which does reach
none
of concerned authorities. May we, collectively and voluntarily, at least
prepare a petition for all affected sectors individually and put it
forth
through proper channels as an intellectual exercise to bring about a few
desired changes?

Rajesh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Subramani L" <lsubramani at deccanherald.co.in>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Concession in railways


> Dear Rajesh:
>
> I am a frequent traveler between Bangalore and Chennai and during my
> travels have used my concessional certificate and have found no
hassles
> at all with the counter-staff. FYI, I mostly go to the railway counter
> in M. G. Road (Unity Building, 23rd floor) in Bangalore where the
staff
> even allow me to skip the queue to get my tickets very fast.
>
> I have traveled in both sleeper class, third and second AC and have
also
> traveled in AC chair car during the day using my concession. This is
not
> only for myself but also for my wife.
>
> There may be problems with staff in some sector/stations, but can we
> blame the entire railway for this? I certainly don't deny the point
that
> that some of them can be insensitive to the extent of being brutal.
>
> Subramani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rajesh
> asudani
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:34 PM
> To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Concession in railways
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>
> Well, even HP quota in sleeper coaches is not always readily allotted
to
> the
> blind, on the contention that it stands for "handicapped quota" and
> handicapped stands for "orthopedically disabled" and not for "blind".
> However, when fed into the system, it readily allots it the blind:
with
> or
> without escort.
>
> Same is the case with "handicapped higher class concession" as the
> railways
> calls it, which is fifty percent concession in first and second AC. It
> is
> refused by rank and file, on precisely the same ground as above, and
> accepted by system when fed. But, at times, they don't take the
trouble
> of
> feeding it into the system.
>
> Railways is requested to rectify these and other semantic ambiguities.
>
> Maybe, I wonder, we should prepare a consolidated petition for each
> sector
> and follow it up with respective authorities by our collective
strength.
>
> Each sector may be assigned to each willing and able volunteer from
> amongst
> us.
>
> Rajesh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amritpal Singh" <amritpal22 at gmail.com>
> To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Concession in railways
>
>
> > Why we are not allowed concession in even
> >  Jan Shatabdi trains? I don't know about Gareeb Raths. Moreover, the
> special
> > handicapped   coaches which have been attached to some trains are
> really
> > being used by handicapped persons? Once I traveled in such a coach
and
> it
> > was a very unpleasant experience. I was the only handicapped person
in
> that
> > coach and coach was crowded  with normal persons. Even if a
> handicapped
> > person wanted to board the train, it was very difficult for him to
> take
> that
> > coach. It should be ensured that only handicapped persons should be
> allowed
> > to take advantage of these  coaches. They say that you can't get
your
> seats
> > reserved in that particular coach. I fail to understand, why.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dinesh Kaushal" <dineshkaushal at hotmail.com>
> > To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Concession in railways
> >
> >
> > > They can do the same as they check the proof of identity during
> checking
> > the
> > > ticket, and in case of seneor citizons also, document are varified
> during
> > > ticket checking.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
> > > [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
> Vetrivel
> > > Murugan, Adhimoolam
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:14 PM
> > > To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
> > > Subject: Re: [AI] Concession in railways
> > >
> > > That's correct, but the railway authorities can use verification
> process
> > as
> > > a scapegoat to justify their negligents. One way to encounter it
> would
> > > be:concession  forms can bear a bar code which is unique to each
> > > individuals.  He/she could use the bar code while booking the
ticket
> to
> > show
> > > the original identity. It can of course be verified at the time of
> > checking.
> > >
> > > Vetri.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dinesh Kaushal" <dineshkaushal at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 6:16 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AI] Concession in railways
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sure it would be in your list, but for the sake of
completion,
> the
> > > question is that when would people with disability be able to
avail
> > > disability consession in online bookings?
> > >
> > > Since consessional booking is already available for some
categories,
> it
> > > should not be very hard for railways to implement it.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Dinesh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
> > > [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
Pranay
> > Gadodia
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:00 PM
> > > To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
> > > Subject: [AI] Concession in railways
> > >
> > > Hi friends,
> > > i believe many of you know about our weekly radio show Eyeway Yeh
> Hai
> > Roshni
> > > Ka Karawan.
> > >
> > > In the show, we have an advice section, where in we call up expert
/
> > > experienced people to have their advice on issues related to eye
and
> > > blindness. We plan to call somebody from our railways to answer
> questions
> > > about the fare concession allowed to blind people. This topic is
> important
> > > for all of us, as many of us has been facing problems while
availing
> this
> > > facility.
> > >
> > > So would like to know by monday 28th May 2007, what questions you
> would
> > like
> > > to ask on this topic. Or you may share the problems faced by you
or
> any
> > > suggestion you have to make to the railways in this regard.
> > >
> > > We have framed a few questions but let us have your thoughts as
well
> so
> > that
> > > it can be dealt with more comprehensively. You can also write to
me
> > offlist
> > > on pranay at eyeway.org.
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > Pranay Gadodia,
> > > Project Eyeway - A comprehensive information helpdesk on eye &
> blindness
> > C/o
> > > Score Foundation.
> > > 125-B, Shahpur Jat,
> > > New Delhi - 110 049
> > > INDIA.
> > >
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> Phone:
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> > > Email: pranay at eyeway.org
> > > Website: www.eyeway.org
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